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The fact still remains -

Far more cases have been resolved (by orders magnitude I should add) in favor of Sound Choice than against.

All you have to hold up are a handful of the hundreds of cases. I don't blame you. If I was stranded in the middle of an ocean, I would try to flag down any vessel that goes by. No need to be choosy. Grab on to the first life preserver that get tossed and hold on for dear life.

-Chris

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Come on Chris the majority of the settled cases you and I both know were out of court settlements, the details of which will never be known since both sides have to stay silent. If the hosts would have known that the suits were brought on questionable legal grounds, how many would have settled then? It would seem the best way to deal with this is not to settle with SC and let it go to trial, then see if SC follows through, drags out the process, or simply drops the whole matter. The reason both sides can hold up so few cases is the fact that not many went to trial in the first place. The few trials that have gone all the way at least recently have gone against SC. I can hardly wait to see what happens when equals duke it out. When CAVS and EMI cases are resolved and disclosed, will SC still be standing?

It is you opinion that - "If the hosts would have known that the suits were brought on questionable legal grounds, how many would have settled then? It would seem the best way to deal with this is not to settle with SC and let it go to trial, then see if SC follows through, drags out the process, or simply drops the whole matter."

It is my opinion that - For most hosts out there, they should follow the policies set forth by SC. If they have questions, contact an IP attorney. Finally, if they are sued, they should also contact an attorney. If you can't afford an attorney, then settle. The people I know that have settled say it is the next thing they have done for their respective karaoke businesses.

We differ on opinions. I am not going to try to change your mind and I suggest you not waste your time trying to change mine.

-Chris

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Why should SC be calling the shots, if their legal foundation to bring charges is weak? If you don't want to follow their rules just don't use their product. I don't see how they have the power of life and death to dictate how the product is used once it has been legally obtained. Once they have been paid they should not be able to come back for a second bite at the hosts pocketbook. Only two manus feel they have that right.

But I'm not a pirate. I'm a victim. A pirate may have sold me something that I thought was legal to buy and since I paid for it; I'm not going to just throw it away to make YOU happy. As far as I'm concerned I paid for every song on it and I'm going to enjoy all of them to the best of my singing ability. I haven't cost Sound Choice a penny because I would have never bought them at their full retail Price. Someone offered me what I thought was a bargain and I scooped it up. I have never sold copies of my hard drive. EVER! I have made thousands of homemade karaoke tracks for myself and others, who have provided me with the backing tracks to do so. I have never charged anyone for doing that service for them. However, I have accepted a beer or four as a thank you on occasion. My priest seems to be okay with me getting into heaven as long as I say all of my Hail Mary's. You have a nice day and may God Bless.

But Officer I didn't know that $20,000 Rolex I bought for $200 was a fake.

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But there are no Keystone Karaoke Kops questioning me. Just a bunch of Pom Pom Cheerleaders....and all of you are really all just crying the same thing. ' IT'S NOT FAIR".

NEWSFLASH!!!! LIFE IS NOT FAIR. You guys lose on this issue. Look at the percentages. The pirates have won, by a landslide.

The war is over. Sorry for your loss.

We all know exactly what you are. Good luck in the after life.

-Chris

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Do the police go around busting citizens in Canada for having fake Rolex knockoffs? They probably bust the criminals selling them though, especially if they are touting them as real Rolex's. Should hosts be busted for having fake SC material, shouldn't the sellers of the hard drives be busted, they are the real offenders, aren't they?

I think this is where I get to say: I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you. Neener Neener.

Don't be mad at me because you got suckered into paying a lot more for your songs than I did. Look at the bright side. You don't have to go to church for absolution. Look at all of the time you saved right there. You saved time and I saved money. My Bad! NOT!

Who said fake. What do you think happens to stolen goods? They are sold at a fraction of the price. When someone is caught with stolen goods (whether they stole them, bought them, or given them), will get charged for being in possession of stolen goods.

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This is a good example of the pirate mentality.

I have no idea whether you run commercial karaoke shows or not. If not, you can rest easy; there's essentially no chance you'll be targeted, because there is no mechanism for us to discover what you did.

But you're deluded if you think what you've done doesn't cost SC a penny, just because you would never have bought the product in the first place. You may not have cost SC directly, it's true.

But your actions have consequences. You have provided your pirate vendor--a thief--a portion of the resources necessary to continue his pirate operation. You may not have bought all of the products embodied by what was stolen and sold to you, but you have clearly satisfied a large portion of your own demand for the product, thereby eliminating the necessity of buying ANY of it. You have encouraged others, including commercial users, to follow in your footsteps. And, perhaps most dangerously for the industry, by contributing to piracy, you have made it just that much more difficult for SC to return to production.

I really couldn't care less about what your priest thinks is dire enough to keep you out of heaven. I find that you don't have much of a conscience, but that's not my problem--it's yours.

But attitudes like yours steel my resolve to do something about this problem. You think your side has us on the run. Keep thinking that.

I wonder how many people spouting off have even been in a courtroom or involved in a criminal and/or civil case and making contributions to those cases either for the prosecution/complainant and/or the defendant/respondent, let alone picking up and reading any law books. I doubt very many. But you are entertaining.

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You discovered what the Karaoke Kandy Store did and you lost your A$$. You'll be steeling your resolve while the real pirates will be stealing your wallets. Your only claims against people are for Trade Mark Infringement. Of the TWO requirements needed to determine Trade Mark infringement; I don't meet either one. None of the tracks that I take out of my house have a Sound Choice logo on them and I never try to sell any karaoke tracks to anyone. Sound Choice as a company does not exist in my karaoke world. But since the Karaoke Kandy Store was found innocent, maybe I should get into the hard drive selling business? Oh that's right. Then I'd have to pay for licenses like Sound Choice never seemed to do on many occasions. I think I'll just keep doing what I've been doing. Uh oh. I think I hear Springsteen banging on my door.

That remains to be seen.



Do you also replace the lyric sweeps?

By the way, if you use those tracks in a show for which you are paid, or that is used to attract paying customers to a venue, then it doesn't matter whether you are selling the tracks or not.



KKS was not "found innocent."

You think I am upset that I paid for my music and you stole yours? I know I did the right thing and supported ALL of the different companies I purchased music from. It think it is sad you stole yours and you have contributed to the demise of an industry you claim to enjoy so much.

In the end, I am not a thief. You are. Your god may be a forgiving entity, but men are much less so.

-Chris

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OF COURSE I REPLACE THE LYRIC SWEEPS TO IMPROVE ON THEIR SINGABILTY. LINE BY LINE SWEEPS ARE MUCH MORE SINGER FRIENDLY. I ALSO CHANGE ALL OF THE COLORS TO MAKE THEM EASIER TO SEE. BLUE LETTERS ON A BLACK BACKGROUND ARE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SEE. I ALSO ENLARGE THE FONT TO MAKE THE LETTERS BIGGER SO I CAN SEE THEM FROM ACROSS THE ROOM. I DON'T DO ANY SHOWS AT ALL. I'VE NEVER MADE A PENNY FROM KARAOKE. EVEN MY KEY BOARD LIGHTS UP SO I CAN SEE THE KEYS BETTER.

I guess with my bad eyes, I've been mis-reading all of the information on that Karaoke Kandy Store case. I could have sworn that I read that Sound Choice lost the case and was ordered to pay the legal fees of the defendant. I guess you're just spewing out more legalise Mr Spin Meister. ARE WE NOW ARGUING OVER THE TERMS "INNOCENT" AND "NOT GUILTY"? SILLY SEMANTICS!

But I bought all of my songs too....and I'm not looking for forgiveness from anyone but my lord and savior. Do you think I care about your feelings about me? About as much as you care about my opinions about you, I'm sure. Do you really think that you can shame me into throwing away my hard drive? You guys are hysterical.

No. You bought a drive which contained stolen material.



I do not believe you can be shamed. You don't seem to care or have any remorse at all. You openly admit that you are a thief and a pirate. You don't care that it impacts others and you don't care to let it be known that you don't care.

Besides....you don't have to convince me, you apparently only have to convince your god -



James 1:22-24 - "But be ye doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. Or if a man be a hearer of the word and not a doer, he shall be compared to a man beholding his own countenance in a glass. For he beheld himself and went his way and presently forgot what manner of man he was."

Galatians 6:3-5 - "For if any man think himself to be some thing, whereas he is nothing, he deceiveth himself."

-Chris

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