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Thanks Paradigm for making that sort of clear, in other words they have everything insulated and tied up in a package that best works for them.

I also use CompuHost with KJ Media Pro. I'd like to know the same thing and add a couple of questions.

What happens when you unlock a song. There is no receipt for that song. You just buy credits and use them to unlock songs but how do you prove it was unlocked by KJ Media Pro? Is it by the serial # that is put on the unlocked songs? Is that proof that you own it?

Thanks.

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I find it strange that when you go on their website, they have a check box to turn in suspected pirates in your area, a check box that essentially says I'm a pirate and I want to become legal, but they DON'T have a box that says "Contact Us" to get more information, or if you have a question.

I must admit though, while I do have hundreds of Chartbuster disks in my collection, I seldom play any song off them. (Never did like their swipes). Almost everything I use is either Sound Choice, SBI, Karaoke Version or All Star Karaoke. Chartbuster is used merely for filler in my books. Also, after being in the business for 23 years, I have most of what I need, so I have no use for the Cloud.

So again I ask why is there no place to just ask a question ?

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> The thing is that they would have to catch me playing one of those 17 songs. I haven't sung much Dave Matthews, because the place I am at doesn't have that Dave Matthews kind of crowd. I got the David Allan Coe song for a friend of mine, who doesn't come in all the time, and I got Close My Eyes Foever, figuring it would be a good version. It's not. I am doing very well with SBI, Zoom, and Sunfly to get my newer stuff from. My older stuff is on DK, and my Metal is on SC discs, which I keep quite handily displayed. I have been starting to replace some of my Metal with SBI and Sunfly. Zoom seems to be getting into the Metal game, too. They just released a very nice version of Toxicity.

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I tried to call them and the phone directed me to Kjams, PCDJ or VirtualDJ. No way to get an operator? I didn't read the whole post so I don't know if this has been covered.

I did notice that it's another scary looking page.

Don't they make money from selling music?

Don't you think that turning someone in should be the footnote of the page, not the whole thing?

More SC thinking everyone steals like them.

EMI gonna take them to the wood shed!

I want to buy an EMI karaoke (formerly Sound Choice karaoke)streaming package! When will it go on sale?

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Record companies should make every song in a karaoke version and kill the dispute!

Actually I use the term OMD to mean ORIGINAL manufacturers' disc.

Again, Cue, if you read my post it said " Not judging or predicting, only observing."

In other words, there is no arguement, as I was only observing the difference between the two.

However, since you brought it up, what you are is actually disc and download based. Burning the downloads doesn't change that. Um...you are "DAD"?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Note the "PAY FOR". My answer would be: " Because my time is as valuable as the karaoke producers', and it is one of the products that I sell. Therefore, if a producer wants me to spend time on an audit, they should PAY ME FOR MY PRODUCT. They didn't give me their product for free, why should I give them mine?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Oops... My bad... I meant to say Original for your OMD abbreviation.

No problem. I didn't take it as a judgement either.

LOL @ DAD. I still consider myself to be a DB operated KJ. I can only play Discs at my shows. As for the technicality of it, wellllllllllllllllll?????


But here goes a question for you:
I have ordered over 20 custom CDG discs from SBI over the past few years (about 15 tracks per disc). When I first ordered from them, I received my discs, but had problems with them. The music was fine, but the word-swipes were garbled. I had sent them back to Todd, and he sent me a fresh disc. I had the same problem. I told Todd that I was using the JVC 3-Tray machine. Todd then had another Custom disc made for me out of their US location. I still had the same problem. I figured out a work-around to the problem. Now, when I order from SBI, I place the order for a CDG, but I request they send me the files as a Download, and mail me a blank pre-printed disc. I then download the files to my PC, convert them to BIN files, and burn them to the (Original???) blank labelled disc that SBI sent me. I have done this for all of my 20 plus disc orders from SBI.

What would you consider that to be? Am I download based (with regard to my SBI order), or am I (original???) disc based?

WHy? You don't have the right to copy their product (for commercial use)! If you do, then it is on you to pay for the proof that you own said product that you aren't supposed to copy to another format in the first place! If the technology didn't exist to make copies - you'd either run from the media you bought it from or buy the new format.

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Well that is only the policy of the Big Two Bullies. Even Stellar isn't going after KJ's anymore. Their way of making pirates legit is by taking a $2,300 bribe. After that they don't care. Chris paid that fee for no reason, since he didn't buy a loaded drive, or steal any of their music. I be a lot of the "vetted" KJs paid that for no reason. I think this new thing that PRLLC is doing is downright disgusting. They are treating everyone like a pirate. I am surprised DTE would go along with that. It's no way to build a customer base.

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true Lon, however they are also suing for using CB tracks from SD cards, HDD, and DTE tracks purchased in download form. using the tracks in the format they were sold in.

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That's what I am saying. How do you create, or KEEP a customer base if you are going to treat your customers like that. If that is the case I will never by another DTE song. I will delete the two I have, and put the Dave Mathews disc away. 17 songs certainly isn't a great loss. I will just get my songs from All Star and Tricerasoft.

Gretchen, I hope you are watching this thread, because you people have a lot to answer for, if they want to keep their customer base. You are the one who said that the audits were voluntary, but if PRLLC is suing KJs for even using the Cloud downloads as they supposed to be used, you won't HAVE any customers. People aren't going to buy your product just to get sued for using it.

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Smooth, according to most sources here, 95% of the KJs are pirates, that's a huge potential customer base. It really does make sense to hack off the 5% that are you customers to convert the 95% who aren't, do the math. Besides, you already bought something from them so they don't need to sell you anything except the $175 per year audit fee.

"What would you consider that to be? Am I download based (with regard to my SBI order), or am I (original???) disc based?"

Well it appears that SBI has given YOU permission to media shift or they would not have sent you a labeled blank disc. As it has been said in the past, it is being given permission that is important and the permission can be given for free or at a cost.

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Also tim permission can be pulled or altered at anytime, if the product ultimately remains the property of the producer of that product. The manu decides how the product is to be used, and they can change their mind if they decide to, and the host has no choice, but comply. It is either comply or face a legal suit by the manu.

I have repeatedly answered all of these questions. In order to make sure that nothing that I have said gets twisted please free to contact me directly and we can discuss this one on one.

865-312-7764

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Gretchen

Nobody blames you Gretchen, you have been given a difficult task of trying to cleanup the mess PR/WWD/CB has created. In their rush to cash in on a litigation bonanza, they have neglected to setup the proper system, to support the legal process, they are trying to start. They have alienated a great number of former certified supporters by not giving them priority in the renewal line, and treating them as strangers rather than old friends. How can you make future sales if you totally destroy your customer base on both sides of the karaoke hosting equation? If you really want to impress hosts with the success of Cloud you should give out the total number of subscriber's you currently have. With PR showing only the verified vetted hosts and venues it makes it look like you only have 98 signed up after over a year, and only 10 of those have verification numbers. PR made a huge mistake to renew the legal process without having the new auditing system in place first. It makes PR look like they are of the mind set to sue first and ask questions later. This doesn't give the impression they are making a through investigation of the facts before they start shotgun lawsuits.

Rick that $175 is per rig, so the multi-riggers will be paying more on a yearly basis, right?

My point exactly... If you are 100 percent legit and you know it and can prove it when asked, paying for "audits" is a complete waste of money and someone else's time.

Ok, for those of you who want, or NEED clarification on ANY of this, do call Gretchen. None of us, who are running legitimately have ANYTHING to worry about. The DTE stuff is safe to use, as long as you do the right thing and not multi-rig with one copy of the song. The audits ARE TOTALLY VOLUNTARY. They reason they re-instated was for those who asked for them. No one HAS to get audited if they don't want to. I now feel confident that I can use my 17 songs without any trouble.

I suggest ANY of you who have any questions PLEASE do contact Gretchen. She's awesome to talk to, extremely pleasant, and knows what she is talking about. She has a really nice voice, too, makes her very easy to listen to, and very easy to talk to.

To Lone Ranger, Dude, you are wrong!! They are NOT going after people quite like Sound Choice is. They aren't quite as ruthless as Kurt and his vengeance kick.

Thank you again, Gretchen.

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