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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:18 am 
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
had this beef from the first lawsuit they put out.
can anyone think of another answer from them except "we do not offer an audit method because we do not allow any copies of our material at all so every host playing CB is unauthorized and will be sued"?
i said this in an earlier thread about this, there is no way to contact PRLLC (they only exist on paper it seems, no phone, no e-mail, no website, no address besides a po box) so unless they are not allowing any digital use of the CB logo, how can they sue a host? it appears that every host, even the ones that got CB cxertified (the certs expired after a year) is illegal. that includes Athena, KJFlorida, Insane, etc.


Maybe we should contact the lawyers since Worldwide/PR LLC have little contact info.

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Hello Cueball...waves

. The thread however implied he was a disc based host and he was sued. If he does have all his discs that will come out in discovery and he should be dropped from the lawsuit.


While times change, McClure was certainly disc based at the time of the first suit. After dealing with that garbage, it would surprise me greatly if he decided to media shift afterward- though again, anything could happen.

Um, Athena, you seem to be implying that it is OK for a disc based host to be sued as long as it's dropped later. Is that correct?

If so, then it sounds like you don't feel that actual investigations are neccesary, and even I know that isn't so. Please clarify?

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I did not dig into the first lawsuit at all, therefore I do not know if he was disc based them or not. I did however watch the newcast , listen carefully and then contact personal friends in that area that to have been to McClure's shows at two separate venues(multiple visits). They informed me that he was computerized and did not carry any disks with him. (at one venue they showed a FB pic showing the set up with no place to even set the binders pictured in the newscast).The pic was taken of the singer in action at a birthday celebration not as part of any investigation, but, did show the entire small corner set up.

I do not know this host, I do not have anything personal against this host, I have never spoke directly with this host. What I do know is......my friends state that he runs a good show and that he did not carry discs to at least 2 venues where they have been multiple times over more than a year.

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8) I think it is quite plain that WWD/PR/CB/DTE has no intention of resuming the audit system. If they had the desire to do so they would have resumed auditing prior to filing this new mass suit in Tennessee. If you are using a computer and displaying the CB logo you can expect to hear from the lawyers, depending on how this Tennessee hoedown goes, at some point in the future. The message seems to be quite simple they are going after everyone and if some innocent dolphins get caught in the tuna net, it is all just the cost of doing business. There is the time a person must become the warrior, or leave a situation. In my case it is time to leave in Oct, in others hosts situations it is time to make a choice. Either to fight back or to subscribe. The cheaper way to end the hoedown would be to just get Cloud and cave in, that is if you want to pay 99.00 a month forever. With of course the chance the rate will go up if the service continues. The answer in the past has been to boycott any manu that goes down the legal process highway. I wonder how long that option will be available to hosts. Like it or not if the manus prevail all hosts will have a new business partner cutting into already slim profit margins.


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8) I think it is quite plain that WWD/PR/CB/DTE has no intention of resuming the audit system. If they had the desire to do so they would have resumed auditing prior to filing this new mass suit in Tennessee. If you are using a computer and displaying the CB logo you can expect to hear from the lawyers, depending on how this Tennessee hoedown goes, at some point in the future. The message seems to be quite simple they are going after everyone and if some innocent dolphins get caught in the tuna net, it is all just the cost of doing business. There is the time a person must become the warrior, or leave a situation. In my case it is time to leave in Oct, in others hosts situations it is time to make a choice. Either to fight back or to subscribe. The cheaper way to end the hoedown would be to just get Cloud and cave in, that is if you want to pay 99.00 a month forever. With of course the chance the rate will go up if the service continues. The answer in the past has been to boycott any manu that goes down the legal process highway. I wonder how long that option will be available to hosts. Like it or not if the manus prevail all hosts will have a new business partner cutting into already slim profit margins.

Actually, you don't need to subscribe to the cloud. DTE offers single song downloads. They track those so they know who legally bought them.

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8) Downloads is something I know nothing about smooth, I'm disc based and don't use a computer for my show. Which is really just a shadow show now since I have cut back to two or three days a week depending on how energetic I'm feeling. If I were to continue in the business I guess eventually CB would get around to me. One thing is for sure I won't be waiting for them. Have a great day.


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Hey Smoothedge....maybe LoneRanger will sell you his discs in November since he wont need them, You might want to PM him and open a dialog

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Hey Smoothedge....maybe LoneRanger will sell you his discs in November since he wont need them, You might want to PM him and open a dialog

I thought I remembered him saying he wasn't planning on selling them. Hey Lone, I DO take donations!! LOL.

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yeah what Smoothedge said...be a good guy and send him some donations :D

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yeah what Smoothedge said...be a good guy and send him some donations :D

LMAO!!!

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kjathena wrote:
yeah what Smoothedge said...be a good guy and send him some donations :D



8) I would if I had extras Athena I just have one rig remember? I don't run multiple shows, also even though I won't be hosting professionally anymore I'm still a collector like I was before I started hosting. A true collector never sells, and unlike you I didn't buy them with the idea I was going to cash them in someday. I have made over the years many times my original investment, and I won't need to lease or subscribe for anything before clock out time. Sorry.


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ok...collect away then, If you are not hosting they will end up just being clutter soon enough...we buy LOTS of clutter and do donate to new KJ's extras that may help them, but to each their own

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8) According to James I should hold on to all my material for at least three years after my last performance, since the statute of limitations won't be up for that last time, if someone does try to sue me, right?


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I did not dig into the first lawsuit at all, therefore I do not know if he was disc based them or not. I did however watch the newcast , listen carefully and then contact personal friends in that area that to have been to McClure's shows at two separate venues(multiple visits). They informed me that he was computerized and did not carry any disks with him. (at one venue they showed a FB pic showing the set up with no place to even set the binders pictured in the newscast).The pic was taken of the singer in action at a birthday celebration not as part of any investigation, but, did show the entire small corner set up.

I do not know this host, I do not have anything personal against this host, I have never spoke directly with this host. What I do know is......my friends state that he runs a good show and that he did not carry discs to at least 2 venues where they have been multiple times over more than a year.


Even Insane knows he was disc based at the time of the first suit, and you didn't answer my question.

Per your post, it looks as if you believe it is OK to sue now and drop later, no investigation neccesary. Up to now, I never thought that you believed this to be the way to go, despite your mostly pro-SC stance. Have you now decided that the innocent should be penalized with having to fight suits as well as the guilty simply because SC and PR can't be bothered with actual investigation??

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per your post Joe you appear to think there was no investigation is that correct ? If so then we are both basing out opinions on different information.

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8) This situation as far as investigations are concerned has always been a problem, with the legal process since the beginning. Some say the investigations are really not that critical since every thing will be worked out in court. The problem is most of these suits are either dropped or settled before they even reach court. In the mean time the hosts and venues are supposed to pay big bucks to lawyers and have their reputations smeared. You can of course avoid all of this if you just give in and pay for your insurance either a cash lease or make monthly payments of $99.00. This is an old trick tying someone up in court in order to get them to do something they otherwise would not do. This is how Morgan got the patents to AC, he threatened to tie up Westinghouse in court something they could not afford to let happen, but he could. Even though Westinghouse owned the patents to AC. The whole question of proper investigations is moot, when the real purpose of the suits is to tie hosts and venues up in court, and force them to buy something they don't really want. Like Kurt said at the summit "suits drive sales".


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JoeChartreuse wrote:

Even Insane knows he was disc based at the time of the first suit


Another example that Joe only assumes, and doesn't research, about what he is talking about.

MaGaha at Macleod's is not McClure.

Macleod's was named in a SC suit in 2009, not a CB suit, where MaGaha was/is a disc based KJ.

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.as ... yid=105330

https://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/tra ... -/summary/

McClure was named in a CB suit in 2011.

http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copy ... -/summary/

McClure was named again last month.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wate/new ... wsuits.pdf

Read the lawsuits Joe and educate yourself before posting please. It is really annoying that you post "off the cuff" without citing facts most of the time.

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Might be a good idea to re-read my posts. I didn't cite any facts other than McClure was disc based at the time of the 2009 lawsuit.

I then asked Athena if she now believes that it's OK for hosts that have done nothing wrong to be sued and subject to all that entails as long as the suits are dropped later.

Athena has chosen not to answer the question, so at this time I am led to believe that she does that is OK- a departure from her earlier position. If I am incorrect all that would be required is for her to say so, and clarify her original statement. I would then "drop the suit", as it were.

If she feels that this is too much trouble just to please me, then maybe she will- in some tiny part- understand how an innocent KJ feels when sued or attempts are made to intimidate into a paid audit and/or "settlement".

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I have not answered the question directly Joe because it relies on an OPINION...and of those ours differ.

You choose to assume that the KJ in question is disc based and/or that an investigation was never done.

I do not have enough information to speculate. and have posted the information (I gleaned from customers I know that attended his shows )that helps form my opinion that he was running digitally.

IF in fact the KJ in question is disc based and/or no investigation was performed then an injustice has been performed, and I am NOT ok with that. I guess I am a bit jaded by too many cases of KJ's claiming to be legit and having it turn out that they were not...so I will reserve judgment on individual cases pending more info. IF I think that a KJ is disc based (after digging a bit deeper) I can/have done everything in my power to assist them.

I hope this answer is complete enough for you.

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I have not answered the question directly Joe because it relies on an OPINION...and of those ours differ.

You choose to assume that the KJ in question is disc based and/or that an investigation was never done.

I do not have enough information to speculate. and have posted the information (I gleaned from customers I know that attended his shows )that helps form my opinion that he was running digitally.

IF in fact the KJ in question is disc based and/or no investigation was performed then an injustice has been performed, and I am NOT ok with that. I guess I am a bit jaded by too many cases of KJ's claiming to be legit and having it turn out that they were not...so I will reserve judgment on individual cases pending more info. IF I think that a KJ is disc based (after digging a bit deeper) I can/have done everything in my power to assist them.

I hope this answer is complete enough for you.


8) Is that like too many suits being filied by manus claiming piracy that are dismissed because they don't follow up on them? Like what happened in California? Were those suits ever refiled? Oh well I guess I'm kinda getting jaded myself.


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