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Thank you for the kind words!!!! I am very passionate about what I do! Since I can't really be in the trenches hosting for a while this is the next best thing for me.

Somewhere on here, someone mentioned that he was suspected as having "lifted" a karaoke database - I believe it was KJPro's - and turned it into ICroons. If that allegation is true, I wouldn't invite him to a Karaoke Summit devoted to anti-piracy efforts either.

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Really,Gretchen? Word on the street is that manufacturers are grabbing up the backfield and throwing them out til they find the one with the ball. If I play a venue that also hires karaoke pirates and someone reports them (venue or pirate). Word has it that a lawsuit could be filed against the venue and the hosts, sometimes without any legal names attached. I'm thinking I could be mentioned in that suit and that I would then have to go through an audit or a court appearance to show that my library is legal. Sounds a lot like certification to me, only more expensive.

I, for one, am not interested in paying someone to certify my library. If you want to do it for free, have at it!

I wrestle with the question of whether to even push the legality thing in my FB posts or to my constituents. Like the DJ who spoke says = " No one really cares about the legality of the library. They just want to sing their song".

Which brings up the NO-Fly list. But I digress!

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Songwriters That Don't Want You To Sing Their Songs

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Karaoke "No-Fly List"
30 Second to Mars: Jared Leto
ABBA: Bjorn Ulvaeus, Benny Andersson, Stig Anderson
Adele: Adele Adkins
Aerosmith
Alanis Morrisette
Amy Foster
Andrew Lloyd Webber
Anne Preven
Ashanti
Bee Gees: Barry Gibb, Robin Gibb, Maurice Gibb
Bon Jovi
Brandi Carlile
Brenda Russell
Burt Bacharach
Candlebox:(Kevin Martin / Scott Mercado / David Krusen / Peter Klett / Bardi Martin)
Carl Sturken
Chicago:(Robert Lamm)
Chris Isaak
Christina Aguilera
Coldplay: Guy Berryman, Jonathan Buckland, William Champion, Christopher Martin
Counting Crows
Cyndi Lauper
Damien Rice
Dan Fogelberg
Dave Matthews Band
David Byrne
Desiree
Dire Straits: Mark Knopfler
Don Henley
Donna Lewis
Donna Weiss
Eagles:(Don Henley / Glen Frey / Randy Meisner/ Bernie Leadon / John Southner/ Don Felder)
Elvis Costello
Erasure
Eric Clapton(except "Layla", "Tears In Heaven", "Wonderful Tonight")
Eurythmics: David Stewart, Annie Lennox
Evan Rogers
Foo Fighters: Dave Grohl
Frente!: Timothy James / Simon Austin / Angie Hart / Alistair Barden
Garth Brooks
George Gershwin & Ira Gershwin
Glenn Frey
Green Day:(Billie Joe Armstrong / Frank E Wright III / Michael Pritchord)
Harry Nilsson
Howard Greenfield
Huey Lewis
Iron Maiden: Stephen Harris, Adrian Smith, Janick Gers, Bruce Dickinson
Jack Johnson
Jack Tempchin
Jacques Brel
James Horner
Jay-Z (RocNation)
Jeff Lynne
Jewel
Jimmy Page
Joe Henry
John Mayer
John Williams
Joni Mitchell
Justin Timberlake
Katy Perry
Kristyn Osborn
Lascelles Stephens
Led Zepplin:(Jimmy Page / Robert Plant / John Paul Jones / John Bonham)
Linda Thompson
Linkin Park: Mike Shinoda, Chester Bennington, Robert Bourdon, Brad Delson, Joseph Hahn
Lucas Films Catalog (“Star Wars”, “Indiana Jones”, etc)
Madonna
Me’Shell N’Degeocello
Michael Jackson
Mumford And Sons: Marcus Mumford, Edward Dwane, Benjamin Lovett, Winston Marshall
MUSE (Matthew Bellamy)
Natalie Imbruglia
Neil Diamond
Neil Sedaka
New Order:(Bernard Sumner / Peter Hook / Stephen Morris / Gillian Gilbert)
Nickelback(Chad Kroeger)
Nirvana
Pamela Tillis
Paramore (Hayley Williams / Josh Farro)
Paul Simon
Paul Weller
Pet Shop Boys
Pete Ham (Apple Publishing)
Peter Yarrow
Pink Floyd (Roger Waters)
Pretenders
Prince: Prince Rogers Nelson
Priscilla Renea
Radiohead:(Thom Yorke / Johnathan Greenwood / Ed O’Brien / Phil Selway / Colin Greenwood)
Rammstein: Richard Krupse, Paul Landers, Till Lindemann, Christian Lorenz, Oliver Riedel, Christoph Schnieder
Randy Newman
Red Hot Chili Peppers
REM (Michael Stipe / Mike Mills / Peter Buck / Bill Berry)
Robert Lamm
Rod Temperton
Sade
Savage Garden (Daniel Jones / Darren Hayes)
Scott Cutler
Serj Tankian
Shakira
Sheryl Crow
Simply Red
Snap (Michael Muenzing / Luca Anzilotti)
Snow Patrol: Gary Lightbody, Nathan Connolly, Jonathan Quinn, Tom Simpson, Paul Wilson
Stephen Sondheim
Stephen Stills
Steve Winwood
Steven Sater
Stevie Nicks
Suzanne Vega
The Cars: Rick Ocasek
The Clash: Joe Strummer, Mick Jones, Topper Headon, Paul Simonon
The Foals: Yannis Philippakis, Jack Bevan, James Smith, Edward Congreave, Walter Gervers
The Hives (Randy Fitzsimmons)
The Killers: Brandon Flowers, Dave Keuning, Mark Stoermer, Ronnie Vannucci
The Ramones
The Swell Season (Glen Hansard / Marketa Irglova)
Tom Evans (Apple Publishing)
Tracy Chapman
U2
Van Halen (Anthony Michael / Alex Van Halen / Edward Van Halen / Sammy Hagar)
Van Morrison
Wallflowers (Jakob Dylan)
Wayne Hector
Yes (Jon Anderson/Steve Howe)
Young the Giant

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well that covers a good chunk of my night
WTF is wrong with these people that they are too good for karaoke?

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GRETCHEN: I was reading about the Virtual DJ Subscription offerings, and they refer to their Karaoke catalog as containing "CHARTBUSTER" songs. Are they actually Chartbuster songs, or are they Digitrax/Karaoke Cloud Pro songs? If they are Digitrax, why are they not listed as an option on the Pro webpage? Thanks for your response...


Incidentally, I find it interesting that Joe Walsh is not listed on the Eagles section of the "No Fly" list...

I am really surprised that jewl on this list considering there was that article where shebwent to a karaoke bar in disguise

As for the summit i missed the whole thing because as I posted elsewhere my house is probably under water right now.

-james

The bulk of the iCroons database isn't even in KJpro's database, as it is links to all of the downloadable material, which KJ pro doesn't have, and is really the main purpose of iCroons. If you're referring to their archive database, it only contains the major brands on CD like Sound Choice, DK, etc... and is missing some of the rare stuff that is in the KJ pro database, so your theory is completely bogus. When iCroons started last year, it is true that they tried filling in some of the missing stuff in their database with data from their songbookslive database, which is user contributed and legally owned by Latshaw as well, but it was Airwer (not KJ pro) who had a problem with it, as they evidently had hidden markers in some of their data, and somehow made it into users collections, then made it to songbookslive, and hence into iCroons. After Airwer contacted Latshaw, it was immediately pulled, and Latshaw stopped using data from songbookslive. Even though Latshaw owns Songbookslive and all its data, they simply learned that they couldn't trust all the data that was user contributed and stopped using it. Latshaw disclosed all of this last year when it happened and has always been transparent and legal.

Airwer has been a thorn in Latshaw's side from day one. When Latshaw released it's first product "Song List Creator" in 2005, it was Airwer who threatened to sue them over using the name, even though Airwer's product was called "karaoke song list creator", and Latshaw's product also did regular DJ music, which Airwer's didn't. Latshaw explained back then that they could have fought it for many legal reasons, but didn't want to make waves in the industry, so they simply stepped aside and changed the name to "Song List Generator". There's been a rivalry between the two ever since, but it's always been Airwer who does the legal threats, while Latshaw stays legally compliant and continues to innovate, and is now a far larger and more successful company. So, it wouldn't surprise me if Airwer was the one starting these rumors.

In the future, you may want to stick to more reliable sources than "Somewhere on here, someone mentioned", because it's flimsy accusations like that that start false rumors on these boards, and it's a disservice to the users who come here to get reliable information.

Your comments seem to support the allegations that I referred to. Thank you for adding credibility to what I said, because I have no idea as to whether or not they are true.

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Unfortunately, I missed the stream broadcast... The "No-Fly" list raises questions for me. If in fact this list of artists who don't approve of their songs being used for karaoke is accurate, how is it possible that Sunfly, Zoom, SBI, Mr Entertainer and Karaoke Version are able to produce tracks by them and license them through PRS? Am I missing something? Take Adele for example... practically every one of her songs is available from Sunfly.

I have a hard time believing that Sunfly doesn't license their songs with PRS. PRS is the largest collecting society in the UK representing 95,000 members according to their web site. How is it possible that a UK artist like Adele who has risen to the level of stardom that she has over the past 3 years be on this list?

Something doesn't add up here.....

the difference is that there is compulsorary licensing in the UK and it is MUCH cheaper to produce a track there too.

are the utube videos up yet? I caught a glimpse of it from a link someone provided, and the lawyer guy explained it quite well

Bradsinger,

The summit covered the difference between licencing here in the USA very well. For those who care to research there is plenty of information to show that PRS licencing is NOT valid in the USA or Canada, that has been true for well over a year now. Feel free to check the facts for yourself.

I was there and was involved representing the professional KJs. And for the record there is more than the cloud being offered. You act as thought the "cloud" is what is being pushed and yet it is not. There were others in the industry that were present but not all spoke before the group or to the live stream.

I have to ask, who is "the fastest growing tech company in the industry"?

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fill us in Rum, what was not shown? not being a d!ck, asking sincerely.

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What i found extremely interesting is when Dr. Drax stated that he didn't think there was any difference between a song on a physical disc and a download purchased. And NON of lawyers there corrected him.

So if that is the case then my original premise that i and the other download sites have been proclaiming is true.

THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC LAWS THAT MAKE A PHYSICAL DISC LEGAL FOR COMMERCIAL USE IN THE US OR CANADA.


These performance rights are covered by organizations like SOCAN and ASCAP.

Therefore if these performance rights cover Karaoke for a DISC then they will cover the performance rights for a purchased download.

I stand by my original statement that despite the fact that the US producers may not like it, there is nothing illegal about buying from the UK or elsewheere.

-James

They were making to the shift in the way Karaoke media is made available. Digital as opposed to physical discs. The industry is trying to get the publishers to think in the same direction and if you watched the summit there was a discussion to completly revamp the copyright laws in the US. The term "cloud" is just one direction the delivery system for karaoke is headed in the future and Digitrax is already there but you also have to know that you can still buy the tracks a opposed to just renting them. Because Digitrax seems to be pioneering this technology they are talking loud about it.

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So are you saying that the artists on the no fly list don't want their songs reproduced in the US but it's ok for them to be done in the UK? My understanding is that if an artist/songwriter does not consent to their material being used for karaoke it doesn't make any difference what country you are in. I am well aware of the PRS licensing limitations with regards to region. The no fly list takes the PRS and any other licensing entity out of the equation if the artists are prohibiting their works from being done.

oops! Re-posted.

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Repost to make this easier for Gretchen to find:

GRETCHEN: I was reading about the Virtual DJ Subscription offerings, and they refer to their Karaoke catalog as containing "CHARTBUSTER" songs, as well as MegaHits. Are they actually Chartbuster songs, or are they Digitrax/Karaoke Cloud Pro songs? If they are Digitrax, why are they not listed as an option on the Pro webpage? Thanks for your response...

Haven't noticed Gretchen in here this week...here's hoping she sees this question...