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Got this email today. “Start with a terrific core library, based on the foundation tracks of thousands of working KJs. Refine it down until you have 450 of the best karaoke tracks ever recorded. Now, add a subscription that delivers 30 hot newly-released karaoke tracks every month for a full year.

Now you've got the simplest and easiest "starter package" ever built for the karaoke lover - and that's exactly what we've created for you! You get 450 fantastic tracks, PLUS 30 New-Release tracks every month. Your cost is only $299.25, and $45/mo for the next year. Download it today, and OWN IT FOREVER!” Your thoughts?

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To be fortunate enough to derive an income from a source as fulfilling as karaoke music has got to be as close to heaven as we can get here on earth!

Neat for the homebody but I'm not sold on it if I were a business owner. 30 tracks for $45 I guess isn't too bad but the back catalogue is meh at best.

Seriously? Don't believe the "to own", since they can only give permission for home use, and don't believe the "to own" while the logo BS is going on.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

do you own your "for home use only" discs?

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Believe what you want... Scroll down to my correspondence with Tricia. This is from Oct. of 2011:
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He will never believe it, no matter what is said or demands proof, which he won't ever get. I'd love to see the proof on all the discs, but that will never happen either - yet those somehow are good for commercial use.

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Checked a handful of discs from different mfrs., can't find "For home use only" on any of them.

As a matter of fact, several (Priddis, Legends, Zoom, Sunfly, and Chartbuster) don't mention use at all, but rather address unauthorized duplication ( meaning not ALL duplication- like for backups, but unauthorized duplication- multi-site-resale, etc...) The UK labels don't even have the disclaimers, but refer the user to the sleeve.

Some, like Sybersound, Pocket Songs, and others have no disclaimers at all.

Others, including SC, do note unauthorized use in a commercial setting, but not that it can't be used that way. BIG difference. Most karaoke producers want KJs as customers, and know their products will be used in shows. There is no way they could go to court and claim that they don't allow such use and have a judge believe them.

Of course, that's the karaoke companies, not the publishers.

Which brings me back to disc vs. download. Due to what is on the disc label, most liability can be shifted back to the mfr.

Many downloads, on the other hand, specifically state that they ARE for home use ONLY, indicating that they are NOT for use in a U.S. based show under ANY circumstances, and anyone who does so assumes all liability and responsibility for such use, and can't shift it back to the site.

Will anyone bother you about it? Probably not at the moment. However, with all the noise made by a certain company, at least one sleeping giant has awakened. Anything is possible.

Go ahead and "own" away....

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Generally speaking, it just seems that the more the gray areas are shrunken in regards to the product user, it must also happen for the manufacturer as well. I was able to get someone to record the Summit, and the bits I have caught so far seem to indicate that there are entities that want to see the divide bridged by sharing information, and by standardizing and unifying certain aspects of this sharing. I cannot recall another example of companies from different backgrounds and relatively different directions as competitors be able to come together in this manner successfully, short of unionizing. And I do not see that as an option for what most would perceive as a relatively insignificant industry...no offense...

Tricerasoft says otherwise, DT says otherwise, AllStar says otherwise. as they are lying about it so are all the disc manufacturers are lying to you. you cant show that the disc manus are not lying, i cant show the Download manus are not lying. there is no specific law (which you keep demanding of the download manus) that allows discs to be used for commercial use (which in the laws i can find means repackaging in some way for resale).
unless you can show a specific law that allows disc use for KJ use, how can you demand that of anyone else?

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Tricerasoft, DT, and AllStar are North American companies, a completely different animal.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

That's strange, here's what it says on my Zoom disks: Unauthorised Copying, Hiring, Lending, Public Performance Or Communication To The Public Prohibited

Hope you are not using your Zoom disk in public

Also Joe is talking about downloads, not discs, again two different animals.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

The biggest complaint that I receive on here is how no one likes the idea of "renting" their music. So what do we do???? Sit down and come up with a product for KJs to get started, at a VERY reasonable price, put it out there and now that is not good enough???

I understand alot of the KJs out there already have very large libraries. That is why we created the Karaoke Cloud. Single download options for the KJ who does not need many songs and would like to get them on an individual basis.

Every song we have is under a license for digital distribution. All of the tracks located on the Karaoke Cloud are also allowed to be used in a commercial setting. We only have two services that are for home users only. The 9.99 streaming Karaoke Cloud site and the 19.95 Karaoke Cloud Player.

We seem to be addressing everyone's concerns and within the last year have addressed all concerns and given solutions. I realize content is king but we are doing this legit and these things take time. If your only complaint is the amount of new songs we produce please watch the Summit again and you will see the obstacles that we deal with trying to get a song approved.

I appreciate the efforts and the responses that DigiTrax is offering, but I have customers to serve as well. If they are requesting music you do not produce, then I won't be buying anything from you. If DigiTrax offered the same tracks I can find through other vendors, I would much rather buy them through DigiTrax (buy American/support American and all that patriotic stuff).

-Chris

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-Chris

Chris,

I completely understand! I know that the customer doesn't care where you get the music. I was just trying to clarify why we don't have everything.

Yup, and I understand the process Digitrax has to go through and that they can't get everything that every singer wants. Thanks for keeping us informed.

-Chris

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-Chris

Now if the 450 songs could be chosen by the KJ, that would be cool.
Would also love to see you guys offer custom discs, i'd be buying them a couple times every month. I had several from Chartbuster being compiled when they announced the closing of doors.

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"build your own base", that is a rather neat idea. i looked over the list and it as it stands does look fairly solid for a foundation to a library, and a better price than another foundation to a library option.

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You have to read it as the word "Unauthorized" attached to each word that follows:
Unauthorized Copying
Unauthorized Hiring
Unauthorized Lending
Unauthorized Public Performance
Unauthorized Communication to the Public.

Zoom made the disc with the knowledge that it would be used in a Public Venue for Public Performance/s. The Unauthorized part of that would be if you copied the disc without purchasing a 2nd copy, and then used it with more than one setup (multi-rig). The Unauthorized copying would be that (what I just mentioned), or possibly the conversion of the file from Disc to PC without their (ZOOM) prior permission to Media-Shift (assuming one needs that permission from them). The Unauthorized Public Performance would be for something like you using their backing tracks to perform professionally (at a Record Company, or for a TV Commercial, etc...).

I would prefer to purchase Custom Discs from DT instead of downloads too.