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The first sale doctrine causes the publishers' distribution rights to be exhausted as to those discs brought in before the license change.

What about the older material that was made prior to GEM James was that properly licensed and paid for? Have a legal day.

"Just Wondering"......"I'm Curious"....."Just Asking"......

Am I the only one that tires of these continued, thinly veiled "what if" accusations masquerading as innocent pondering? It's painfully obvious to everyone reading that this never was a "I am not affected by any of this, I just dislike SC's tactics" situation. It appears that some have obviously been ACUTELY affected. The anger is palpable, the grudge literally fills the air. It would be funny if it weren't so pitiful.

"Though doth protest too much...methinks." - Shakespeare

What is pitiful Bazza is all the hosts that support SC, wanting to hang the pirates for infringement and theft. While SC itself is being sued for the same offenses. The host can be tarred and feathered while the case is pending, and SC must be given every reasonable or unreasonable doubt. I guess it would be better not to think about the things that are questionable about SC's conduct. Sure a lot is speculation, but both sides speculate, why is one less believable than the other. If SC does get nailed and has to pay, will they follow the example of CB and just cease to exist, and try to come back as two dummy companies? I think you would even have to admit the 61 page filing is more detailed and through than any of SC's manufactured cases, with it would seem better investigation to go along with it. True they are only charges not proved in court yet, but it has to make one think about the integrity of SC as a company. Have a blessed day.

I am curious. Why do you always end you posts with "Have a blessed day"? It has a religious ring to it, yet I can't imagine any religion encouraging people to be so consumed with hate and anger.

Or is this the equivalent of the southern "Bless Your Heart".

Do you remember 9-11? There was no hate or anger there? Or did the pilots (hi-jackers) forget how to fly and got lost on their way to the "homeland"..... I mean "promised land".

These phrases are each a preface. They are attempted justification for the unsubstantiated and often fabricated.



No, you are not the only one that is tired of the masquerade. You are not the only one that sees what is actually there. Consider the source.



What is pitiful is statements like this that include "all" hosts and "SC". Is it pitiful for ANY host who supports KARAOKE to want to hang the pirates for infringement and theft?

You want to give them amnesty. That's not pitiful. That is dismal defeat.
What a bleak end to karaoke entertainment you predict.

What if the pirates of history had been given amnesty and forgiven their crimes and allowed to keep their fortunes amassed from their illegal activities and then allowed to continue to ply their trade right along with the merchants who utilized the established trade routes and complied with maritime law and paid the various tariffs/taxes at the time while relying on the naval authorities to protect them and provide them with various benefits including facilities, personnel, maintenance & repair?

I know that is a "what if", but to make my point; they weren't given amnesty. They were relentlessly pursued and run to ground.



No, not the "same offenses". There is a very important distinction between "similar" and "same".



This is just inflammatory nonsense.



This is just sad sarcasm.



This is just bad punctuation among a specious argument.

One is less believable than the other, because one has a basis in reality and the other is purely invention. You know what they say: "If you have to ask..."



I wouldn't consider our fellow forum member "gretchen" to be a dummy employee. I am reasonably certain that the company she works for actually exists and is doing business with profitability as the goal. With regard to the other company of the two you are casting dispersion upon, what verifiable information do you have to support your statement?



Again, you are comparing apples to "manufactured" oranges. The level of detail is irrelevant. If the facts of the case are not complicated, they don't have to be. "Would seem better" is simply a way of stating that you can't substantiate your position.



Statements like "True they are only charges not proved in court yet" have to make one think about the integrity and, from my perspective, the hypocrisy of the source of that quote.

Have a _______(fill in the blank) day.

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Never the same show twice!

i agree with this part of Lones statement. if someone is on a SC law suit, they are guilty with no possibility of innocence being proven in the eyes of many here, but when SC is sued they are innocent with no possibility of guilt being proven. there is a double standard here.

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Whoever said that being named in a lawsuit is the same as being guilty? I know I haven't and don't recall anyone who has said that. Anyone who knows anything about the law knows that being named is not the same as being guilty.

BTW millions of people do business with thousands of companies that have been named in suits who were found, for the lack of a better word "not guilty" as well as companies who have been found "guilty" of both civil and criminal offences. So what is your point. People and companies deal with their problems and move on.

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i am only talking about perception. every thread on an SC lawsuit has people calling those named pirates and they are getting what they desirve and it was no different when a disc based KJ following all the rules was caught, they were crucified as well, but every suit where SC is a defendant any talk of getting what they deserve is greeted with harsh opposition that is is all a big mistake and they will be vindicated.
the double standard within the forum, not legally.

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Thank you for taking the bait.

Exactly my point...add "Jihad KJ's" as well it seems. Extremist's pollute the norm with their twisted, blind rhetoric in the name of "blessed" religion.

Quite the parallel, don't you think?

It was no bait. You made a stupid statement and you won't admit it.

22 smiley's do the speaking for you.

Just admit it. You bit.

I regret that you think it is unchristian to disapprove of a company who is so hypocritical that they would legally chastise others for the similar infractions, that they have been accused of. It has been suggested that too much time has passed and that SC cannot be held accountable for old material that has been out of production over 3 years. As James stated all material is free if one is willing to assume the risk. SC if the allegations are true has assumed that risk, and if they cannot be held accountable they have beat the system. For those of you who say you believe in justice, you have to believe the playing field is level. Of course we know it's not, it is tilted to those that can afford a lawyer or lawyers to represent them. Most hosts are struggling by in these tough economic times, SC is I feel abusing the legal system in their quest to recover whatever they can from whom ever they can. I know some feel they have every right to use whatever means to reach their goals. I don't feel they should be left to do as they please and have no fear of consequences. As I recall the one time Christ was not forgiving is when he drove the money changers from the temple. In a way the playing field is level when two large companies are locked in litigation. For those of you who are obsessed with having correct material in your library, to the point you have contacted the publishers about it, you might have awoke that sleeping giant. It would indeed by ironic that by doing so you might have done more harm to commercial karaoke than all the pirates put together. Getting the publishers in the act might have ended all new product, or even getting licensing for old product. Like Joe I don't think it will lead to cease and desist orders on karaoke hosting, if it does, I was going to retire anyway. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I just hope the purpose of this forum was met, that we are discussing matters that effect our industry. Have a blessed day to all.

Aren't the SC supporters equally consumed with hate and anger, with a tinge of fear? Fear that if they don't support SC down the line eventually non support will destroy their business and means of earning a living? You can dislike what a company stands for and not hate the people in the company individually. I'm taught to bless those who curse you, and to have compassion for the poor and afflicted not for the tormentors. One of the hardest things I've had to reconcile is the fact I was a soldier in a war situation, and still try and maintain a sense of integrity. Have a blessed day.

Really? No. I don't believe so. I don't think Lon for example is quaking in fear over being legal and playing SC music.



Sure you can. But you went from "dislike" to "activist" a long time ago. It's all you discuss now. You join in no other threads or topics about Karaoke. Everything is now about SC in your world. It has consumed you.

Clearly, there is more to your story. Why don't you tell us the truth?

Please don't feed the trolls..

You already have the truth Bazza I'm an elderly retired civil servant that runs a karaoke service, I'm not quaking about SC since I have long ago decided not to use their product nor promote it. There is plenty of other material out here. I'm not consumed with hate of SC nor do I wish them to fail. What I want is an end to this legal process that is going nowhere, and looks more and more like it will come around and bite SC where it hurts the most their pocket book. What I'm an activist about is trying to get some other type of workable solution to this legal v.s. illegal standoff we have. Maybe I shouldn't care since it looks very much like I can get through all of this despite the manus and the pirates. It would be much easier to stand back and let everyone tear each other apart, and of course get others involved like the publishers. I don't want to see karaoke ruined for those who really enjoy it, and is part of their leisure activities. Have a blessed day.

P.S. The fear I was talking about was the fear of legal hosts of pirates and what they might or might not do, no fear of SC. As long as you don't break SC's rules concerning their product there is nothing to fear, at least according to James. I solve this problem by not using their product, that decision is made easier since I don't approve of their legal practices.

Even if you bury the truth, the very rocks will eventually shout it. Have a blessed day.