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so....Lone Ranger is making it up even though Kurts lawyer gave the quote?
sorry Chris, that is ridiculous.

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All I'm doing Chris is taking the bits of information I get here, and applying reason as to what all of this might or could mean. Personal exposure to this legal process is very limited since I have only met with one host even approached by SC. When evaluating all of this data you have to compare it with what is going on in your particular market aka area. The ultimate fact that will determine whether this legal process is working or not will be the success or failure of SC. If they go the way of CB then their audit will be worth what the CB audit is currently worth. We are now almost midway through May and still no new product for SC. The fact that they have missed so many deadlines does not bode well for their continued viability as a major player. Also if they resume production it is going to be to a limited group, they will have become a specialty item. Have a blessed day.

Here is Harrington's Statement -



Here is Lone Ranger's assertion -



Sound Choice has improved & modernized the product - The GEM series is a 320kbps pre-ripped, drag and drop solution designed specifically for the computer based host -

No other karaoke company provides 320 rips (not even the overseas download companies that I am aware of)
Only Stellar (to my knowledge) provides a comparable drag and drop solution with their monthly MP3+G releases but at a lower bit rate.
Chartbuster offered their 6000+ and 12000+ drives that were also drag and drop but only 128k rips AND were only available for a very limited time.
The GEM is a current, active product.

Sound Choice has stopped short of offering downloads for the same exact reason why every other US based karaoke company has stopped short - they can't get the licensing to do so.

What other modernization should Sound Choice be doing? Streaming? According to most here, that isn't a viable solution and wouldn't be adopted by KJ's anyway. "KJMP" style drive? I like that idea and see it as a next step, but it's not like they are behind the curve given that only one other company attempted it and it has it's own set of issues.

If Lone Ranger is going to accuse Sound Choice of failing to improve the product or not modernizing, he needs to discredit what they have done (which he can't do) and point out the things that other US based manufacturers are doing that Sound Choice isn't doing (I am all ears and eyes on this one).

Lone Ranger's other claim is that "To compensate for their failures they have decided to resort to a legal process to create demand for their product".

Since this statement is predicated upon the first part being true, it fails. But even going off of Harrington's quote, Sound Choice is not "generating demand" through legal action. They are "driving sales". When you take Harrington's ENTIRE statement as a whole, it is clear that 1) Legal action is targeted at infringers and 2) Is only driving sales against infringers. It is NOT intended to drive overall sales to above board KJ's. They are already buying the product. It is the infringers that are not.

Nor does the legal action drive demand. In fact, that goes counter to Lone Ranger's repeated claims that legal action is causing KJ's to drop the brand. He can't have it both ways.

The demand is already there because the pirates are using the product. They have just chosen to not pay for it. The legal action just allows SC to be compensated appropriately for what people are already using.

I stand by my statement.....

Lies born from ignorance can be forgiven if the speaker makes an attempt to open mindedly educate themselves.

Please try. Otherwise, you are simply a liar.

-Chris

-Chris

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i get that, but the GEM is not a viable option for active KJ's.
take for instance a song like Copperhead Road. if you want the SC version your only option is to spend $325.00 for it on a Saphire disc. that is not modernizing for the KJ, that is modernizing for the pirate to say i'm sorry. granted, Kurt himself has stated that this was the point, but how does that help any host already doing legal business? selling one off tracks at a reasonable price is modernizing for KJ's. it would be like Microsoft offering Visio 2013 Pro now, but only in a package that contains Window 8 Pro, Windows 7 Pro, Office 2013 Pro, Office 2007 Pro, Project 2013 Pro, and Project 2007 Pro. for the company that stole it all that's a great get out of jail card, but for the regular offices that paid already they get screwed. would that be considered modernizing?

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I guess it could be disappointing for any given person if a company's new business model doesn't fit their given situation. It doesn't sound like to me, in this given instance, that there is a lot of concern for medium to high volume buyers from the past in their current direction, except for those who wish to expand to multiple rigs. I am not sure of a comparison that actually comes close to fitting this scenario, since the past material sold does not tend to become more obsolete exponentially, given the right marketing scheme.

Making moves to become more viable in a given economy, technological climate, etc., is a must for a company to flourish, but making such moves in a timely fashion is a must for a company to SURVIVE...

You can get it on a custom.

http://mykaraokecdg.com.au/customer/sea ... rhead+Road

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By no means do I think Sound Choice is perfect nor do I consider them the bleeding edge of karaoke distribution. There are many things many karaoke companies could do to improve things for karaoke hosts.

-Chris

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Chris, in your opinion, would Sound Choice sell another GEM series if they stopped the legal action? Would the product stand alone and make money for the company under those conditions?

Part of being viable and competitive is new product Chris, where is SC's new product? They have missed several deadlines they have themselves set. This is all just a huge game of liars poker, both sides spin, weave, and manipulate the truth, that is why getting any real information is rather doubtful. Oh and it can be both ways also Chris, the legal process requires a settlement, the settlement usually involves licensing the GEM series. Other hosts see this and decide if carrying the SC label is worth the hassle and simply drop the product from the show. For every enforced settlement, how many hosts and venues simply drop the product? It's a net loss for SC in the long run. This trick of calling a person a name in debate is called "poisoning the well". Just like if I were to call you a Communist. Have a blessed day.

That could only be determined if and when SC either implodes or gives up on the legal process. If they implode there will be no product to buy. To stand alone and be viable they would have to get back into the production end of the business, that is rather doubtful since they burned their ships, when they sold off the production end of the business. For bad or worse they are committed to this legal process, if it fails that is the end of the company. With the many missed deadlines it is quite plain that getting back to any level of production is going to be extremely difficult for SC. Even if they manage some new product, still the poduct quality and market for such product is rather unsure. After all they will only be selling to their certified and licensed hosts, not very many of them. Have a blessed day.

The implied assumption in this statement is that GEM is now only licensed to those facing legal action.

This simply isn't true. Plenty have licensed it already who had nothing to do with any "legal action".

Can't really say. But I bought one.

-Chris

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Don't spin this off into something unrelated. You never mentioned new product in the post I called you out on.



Are you admitting that you lied, spun, wove, manipulated the truth and that your information is doubtful?




You need to make up your mind. Either legal action is stimulating sales or it is causing people to abandon SC. Which is it?



Please produce the financials for Sound Choice to support your assertion that this process earns a net loss for them. I am not taking either side, but since you are, you need to be able to back it up.



A "trick" is used to achieve an end result by fraudulent means. A large portion of your negative campaign against Sound Choice is based speculation and presenting things as facts when they aren't. You are the trickster here. It is you that is poisoning the well with your false accusations and claims.

-Chris

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You don't know for sure Chris that they are false sense you yourself do not have access to sound choices financials or their inner workings. For all you know I could be hitting it right on the head. They could be very close to implosion or they could be far away. As far as speculation goes with the details of these out of court settlements hushed up, no one can say for sure if SC won or lost. That is all speculation as well. Isn't to a large extent all the stuff hosts hear from the certified camp, mostly speculation. James encourages the speculation because it helps drive sales. The only thing your upset about is when someone does the same thing to them. Have a blessed day.

I have to disagree.

Unlike so many others, I have never seen Chris "Speculate", "Wonder", or otherwise make things up under the guise of "Well, it might be true".

I didn't say Chris was speculating did I nor did I call him a liar. All I'm saying is when you are trying to divide the good information from the bad, you really have to look at the actions of the parties involved and not really what they are saying. A man is known by his deeds not his words. In search of the truth sometimes it leads you down paths you would rather not explore. Remember not everyone can handle the truth. Have a blessed day.

....and you don't see me speculating about their financials either



I don't know why the pro-SC or the anti-SC folks even care to speculate about the settlements. They aren't any more hush hush than any other settlement is. It is the nature of many, many legal settlements that the end result is private and sealed. There is nothing conspiratorial about it.



Yes, it is. Now I ask you, where are the pro-SC cheerleaders these days? They aren't on KaraokeScene for the most part. They are on that other forum (which by the way, I have not engaged with in many months now).



Note - I am about to speculate - I don't Harrington encourages anyone to speculate either way. I believe he would rather people stick to the facts. It would certainly reduce the amount of time he has to spend in these forums.



What I am upset about is your intentional, willful attempts to mislead people. You are entitled to your opinion (definition: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof) but you position it as if it is fact when it is not. When it is done repeatedly and against mounting evidence to the contrary, that takes it out of the realm of opinion and into the land of a lie.

You still don't understand that I have issues with Sound Choice policies and I have voiced them. I am not nearly the pro-SC person that some make me out to be. The difference between you and I is that I don't continually post them over and over and make every thread a platform for making my opinion heard. However, it is in my nature, to defend against false information when I feel strongly about it.

-Chris

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I have to correct you here. I think I have done my fair share of speculation. I just think I have stated it in a manner that allows people to easily identify it as speculation vs "this must be true".

-Chris

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I don't think that I have ever said my opinion was fact did I? The only reason it seems like fact is I stay with it and don't change my opinions constantly. When you look at all of the available information and what is happening around you locally at least for my situation very little has changed. The reason you don't see the cheerleaders on this forum as much is because they set up their own forum, where they could all agree with one another. I don't think that is the way this forum wants to go hopefully. To me certain things don't ring true about this SC legal process, and like you I have problems with it. Eventually much like illegal immigration something will have to be done with karaoke piracy. Maybe amnesty and some type of licensing of the operators is the only solution. Since trying to untangle who is legal and who is not will take more time and money than the manus can afford. As far as what the truth really is only time will tell if the manus succeed with this legal process, or they implode, like predicted at the last Karaoke Summit. Have a blessed day.

P.S. As far as speculating on SC's financials you have to go through the information that has been given out by James and others.

1. 95% of the SC product out here is illegal. That is all lost potential revenue for SC.

2. Currently less than 1% of the operators out here are certified or have licensed the SC product.

3. If SC resumes sales of new product it will only be to the certified or licensed operators, hardly the 10% minimum James feels is needed to make SC a viable producing company once more.

4. This legal process costs money, and it is not known if it is even worth the time and expense expended on it.

5. Healthy companies don't sell off the production end of their business if making product is their business.

6. SC is having difficulty making their own deadlines as far as new product is concerned.

All of these things put together indicate a company that has a lot of money going out and not much coming back in. How long can a company such a Walmart exist if 95% of it's product is going out the door and not being paid for? It's surprising to me SC has lasted this long.

Lone, I heard one of the presenters of "Ancient Aliens" passed away, maybe you can get a job there. They continue their "theories", never straying, but it doesn't mean what they say is true.

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