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Older customers have more disposable income than many younger patrons, a fact that is not lost on many venue owners.

Then you may want to buy this library for your show Ranger. That way you would have the most awesome show in your region with 50,000 freeware songs that your patrons would most be interested in!

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Oh again I disagree. I see the younger singers repeaditly hitting the 'bomb' drinks more often that are anywhere from $8-12 per hit. While the older singers tend to nurse a drink or a couple beers - that is also a fact. They may have more disposable income, but are usually smarter with their money & don't spend as much on booze like they used to do when they were younger and stupid!

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I didn't say it was true inflation, I said the price of the product is higher due to legal process acting as a price support mechanism, rather than let market forces determine the value of the product. In other words the price is being manipulated by other than pure market forces. The process is flawed and needs to go back to the drawing board. Have a legal day.

I have all the library I currently need Insane. Have an Insane day.

Cue I've had White Castle and they were okay. As for Bud it would be a serious think of whether I'd drink it or die of thirst

Lone the only reason the price would be lower is everyone is stealing and it is the enforcement that's keeping it at its true value. Honestly, if everyone were to buy a new car, then duplicating them (or making a duplicate of a duplicate from a friend), and using them forever or replacing the duplicates when needed, exactly what would the value of a car be? Nothing. I wonder if Ford, GM, Toyota, etc would accept that?

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To you, a car is a car. Just transportation from Point A --> Point B. I spend 2+ hours in my vehicle every day, more on the weekends. I want to enjoy the ride in as much comfort and safety as possible.

To you, karaoke music is karaoke music. Just get the most songs for the least amount of money possible. I want the best quality music and the most faithful reproductions of the originals. Do my fans notice? Some do, some don't. But I notice. It matters to me.

Look. Some people are fine with hamburger! I prefer an aged steak. (Medium rare please).



Agreed! I'll order a cocktail before drinking "BMC" (Bud/Miller/Coors). Light, Ultra Light, Super Ultra Light, Mega Super-Duper Ultra Ice Platinum Light...it's a mass marketed, watered down race to the bottom to see who can make the beer that has the least flavor.

Reminds me of a Microbew Ad I once saw that said "Whats the matter Lager boy? Afraid you might actually TASTE something?"

I would include "theft" as an "other than pure market force." Eliminate both the legal process and the theft, and you might have an argument.

Of course, you can't eliminate the theft except through the legal process.

If that is your "moral" objection to the legal process, then your opinion is of no value. It's a fantasy.

Oh BTW try to open a hamburger joint and call it McDonald's (even if your last name is McDonald) and see how quick the Clown comes at you with legal action.

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The only fantasy is Yours James and Kurt that this legal process of yours is going to solve the piracy problem anytime before SC itself goes under. I'm not the only host that has a problem with this legal solution of yours. SC is the only manu currently employing this legal process, if it is such a superior policy why haven't other manus come on board? Some hosts are even coming to the conclusion that maybe amnesty and licensing is the answer to the piracy problem. With industry wide theft reaching 95% of the SC product and your process only addressing less than 1% of the active hosts and venues after all this time, doesn't it stand to reason this process is broken and not working? With the exception of maybe a few select areas of the country. I know us big bad KJ's are beating up on poor little SC. The problem is SC, rather than a manu, has become their legal process, and that is why they are getting beat up on. Not for who they are but rather for their behavior. It is possible not to hate a person for who or what they are, but you can dislike their actions. You tell them you don't like what they do by not buying their product or using their service. Naturally the legal process is the only solution for you since you are a lawyer, how could it be any other way? To date this legal solution of yours has not worked that well, mainly because you don't have the resources as one enfeebled company to make it work, like it needs to. SC might have been able to turn things around if they would have joined Cloud, but that didn't happen. My objection is not morale it is practical, pragmatic and business centered. The definition of insanity is to repeat the same action over and over again and expect a different result. Have a legal day.

Lonnie if I really had a problem making the venues money I wouldn't be working six days a week. Have a blessed day.

Gee Bazza I thought you are a hard nosed businessman, you don't watch your bottom line? I don't feel I'm losing any quality by avoiding the SC label. Most of my customers want DK, I play to the crowd. If they all started demanding SC I would have to rethink the boycott and maybe license GEM that hasn't happened yet. It is true I do watch costs a habit I picked up from my parents who were children during the Great Depression. That is why I don't have any debt. I own all my equipment and music, and run my business on the principles of hard work, cost containment, and family centered service to my customers. It has worked fairly well for me, can't say it will work for everyone. Have a blessed day.

One reason for SC staying high is also the types of songs they put out. Some shows may not have these types of singers but I get requests for Blues songs and Headbanger songs that were mainly just put out by SC. So often not only do they require a bit of tracking down but I pay the price to get them.

That's exactly what I was trying to get at. With inflation, the cost--what you actually paid for that set--is closer to $2K, which significantly alters the cost-per-track of your DK set vs a Gem series set.

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Me neither working 7 nights a week for 20 years. But as a host I enjoy the younger crowd as they sing the music I like. I would put a bullet in brain if I had nights with standards and older music nightly.

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While you are not wrong in regard to e-bay and other used prices,you are in regard to the new price structure as based on the new fear based pricing. The regular vendors that still exist HAVE raised their pricing by a huge percentage- again, Ace being the leader. They are NOT charging the pre-litigation prices.

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That last Spotlight I bought from Ace was about 5 years ago, I paid $24.95. They are charging $22.95 now days.

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That is because you are younger Lonman, remember I'll be 68 this July, older music was what I was raised on, so I fit in perfectly with my target market the baby boomers. There is still a lot of life in us senior citizens, they say 60 is the new forty. My parents taught me to treat older citizens with respect. They always told me some day you'll be old yourself. Guess what it happened and some day it will happen to everyone, if they live long enough. Have a blessed day.

P.S. Has far as a bullet to the brain I feel that way when a young singer comes up and starts rapping, or someone does heavy metal, that is why karaoke is something that can be applied to all groups. I have specialized much like a doctor and it has paid off for me.

I suppose if you were to buy DK today, or you could pay nothing if you are willing to assume the risk as James has suggested. The value of any item is only what a person will pay for it a a given time. You could pay 1500.00 for an ounce of gold, if you are hungry you could trade it for a can of beans, depending on how bad you wanted the beans. Values vary with varying conditions, part of the added price of the GEM series is the legal process, since it seems to be a cost currently incurred only by the SC label. Have a blessed day.

Which means the prices are stable for the most part, trading in a narrow range. The reason the price has come down a little I suppose that most of the hosts that buy product, for the most part have what they need already. The only potential growth part of the market is the 95% that have assumed the risk and have not purchased. The product out here has been purchased by the retailer for sale and SC a long time ago has been paid. New sales revolve around the licensing of the GEM series, and these are helped by the current legal process pushed by SC. If the legal process were to stop, you would have to see where the prices of discs and GEM would go. My feeling is the direction would be down, since prices are currently held high by this legal process price fixing mechanism. Have a blessed day.