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Because we are actively enforcing our IP rights.

Please note my emboldens. RARE is always more expensive. Keep in mind WHY they are rare, as well. There are a lot of SC discs out there, but the rare ones are those that had to be pulled.

As I said, the few places left that SC allows to sell the product take advantage of the fact and use the SC fear factor( Even Lon posted: "I used to be able to pick up SC discs for $5-10 all day long in bulk buys up until the lawsuits started, then the prices doubled & tripled.") to gauge the customers. For example: In my opinion, Ace does this as well.

It's not quality that gets whatever money they get. It's fear-based inflation.

I will agree with Jim that sentimentality may also have some bearing on those buy DKs, but the fact is DK's discs contain an incredibly high percentage of quality OFTEN-USED tracks, as compared to the Spotlight series from SC, which had maybe 3 per disc. This is one reason why what SC discs I have are mostly Artist series. Still only 2 or 3 per disc tops, but the multi-plexes were WAY cheaper).

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this does not apply to SC? why not?


this doesnt apply to SC? why not?

Because we are actively enforcing our IP rights.[/quote]

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I could be wrong, but I don't recall ever seeing the vendors (both B&M Stores and those familiar ONLINE stores with websites such as Karaoke.com, doowop.com, Ace Karaoke, etc...) ever offer a SC Spotlight disc at $5. I think Lonnie was referring to e-bay sales when he said he used to get them for $5-10 each. The regular Vendors (who sold/sell them in their B&M stores and through their ONLINE sales, haven't raised the prices. They're still selling them at whatever price they were charging 4 years ago (pre-lawsuits).

They didn't always fall under the category 'had to be pulled', there were those that they simply didn't renew and moved the songs that did sell to another disc.

But again I was going with bulk sales - not individual discs. The bulks I used to pick up were discontinued or out of print discs that were included in the sale. I don't SEE the bulk sales as often as I used to. The retail sale for new discs is the same as it's always been anywhere between 15-18 per disc. That I have not seen change - except go lower over the years. When I first started buying SC (or ANY brand for that matter), they usually ran anywhere from 20-35 per disc.


DK is still not a highly requested brand around here - again, west coast started with Pioneer - I get more requests for Pioneer over DK for the older stuff.

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Ebay sales were exactly what I was talking about. However on rare occasion I would find an overstock sale at karaoke.com where you could buy 3 Spotlights for $20.

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Back in the early 90's when I first started doing hosting, and I paid $1,000.00 for a never opened box. The host that had ordered the set put a 200.00 deposit on it and then never picked it up. The mom and pop shop where I used to buy all my music and equipment said I could have it for a thousand, it has been one of the best investments I have ever made, as far a return of initial cost. Have a blessed day.

And what was the sticker price on it?

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I would think originally it must have been around $1200.00, it doesn't matter since I have made many times over it's original price.

Bottom line, anyone who says brand names have no value, have no idea what they are talking about.

Is a car just a car or a hamburger just a hamburger or a is a box of corn flakes just a box of corn flakes. If so then why do we go to different brands, whether Yugo or Rolls Royce or McDonald's or a Wendy's or Kellog's or no name. A good brand name is usually better quality and consistent. Sure once in a while a lower or no name can be better but not usually.

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Exactly what I said earlier. Lone prefers his 1972 VW Bug. I prefer my Mercedes.

To each his own.

Some people are quite happy buying a Corvette with all of the logos removed, if it saves them some money. It still runs like a Corvette and looks like a Corvette. I've been seeing more and more tracks that look like Sound Choice tracks but they don't say Sound Choice on them. The singers don't seem to mind not seeing a particular logo when they are singing.

I never said brand names have no value, some brands are just a better value for the money. If the brand gets the job done and it's more cost effective why not use it? It is possible not to use some brands and still be successful in this industry. It's all about choice isn't it? Have a blessed day.

If we both get where we are supposed to be going what difference does it make how we get there? The start of this thread began with a value comparison of two similar products. When you crunch the numbers I think that DK is the better value for the money. That a host will recoup the cost of the initial investment quicker with the DK brand over the SC brand. That DK holds it's value better than most brands. I thought everyone wanted a value comparison. Have a blessed day.

It has been my experience that most patrons are more interested in if you have a particular song rather than the brand of the song. If they do request a brand it is usually DK, sometimes CB and a few times Zoom.

So the enforcement of your rights does prop up the value of the SC product, without the legal process, your product would be in a free fall situation, as far as price. So there is an inflation of the price of the product. Have a legal day.

It isn't an investment for future resale profit, it is, however, an investment in your business which does have value, as far as the host earnings.

The only thing this demonstrates is your lack of understanding of the term "inflation."

The price of anything goes down if consumers are free to take it without consequences.

The legal process is about establishing consequences. Despite your efforts to denigrate the process and the product, there is nothing illegitimate about either.

I guess if I wasn't concerned about getting younger singers, DK all the way. Like you said you run a show of old farts for singers. They AREN'T going to care what it is. I run a show of younger, a lot of musicians some are trained singers, then some just know after being able to teach them, know different versions & do have preferences in brand that DO care about quality and the sound - and having stuff other than what DK produced plus having stuff at least 10 years AFTER what DK produced. So IMO the SC is a MUCH better value for that kind of a show.

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I had this happen last night. I bought an SBI version of a newer song - can't remember right now, have it written down, but the singer came to me later saying he didn't like it at all. So I will start looking for a replacement - he's a good customer. It was a country song, i'll see if Digitrax has it.

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