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I didn't license the GEM set in the hopes that one day I could resell the license for a profit. Anyone that thinks karaoke music is some kind of investment needs their head examined.

The reality of the situation is Chris the price of SC product is fluid and not a firm as you would want it to be. If the legal process went away the true price of the SC product would become apparent. The DK price is the real price since there is no legal process to prop up it's value. Have a blessed day.

I didn't license the GEM set in the hopes that one day I could resell the license for a profit. Anyone that thinks karaoke music is some kind of investment needs their head examined.

I licensed GEM because I wanted the best base set in the business. Some simply want the lowest price songs they can find. I am willing to pay more for the highest quality.

This is exactly the whole point of the last four years of litigation.

Without the legal process--without enforcement of SC's rights--the SC product must compete with people who are willing to give it away for free or nearly free.

The legal process makes the true price of "free" something that is not free. In fact, the goal of the legal process is to make the price of using "free" product much more than the price of using legitimate original product.

The "true value" of something is referred to by economists as the "fair market value"--the price a willing buyer in a fair market will pay to a willing seller. When you take away enforcement, the mechanism by which the market is made fair, you no longer have a "fair market value." Because DK is not enforcing its rights, there is no true "fair market value" for its products, because there is no fair market.

I did answer your question Chris, what difference does it make what price DK is currently selling at since I'm not selling? In the meantime I have made several times over my initial investment on the product. As far as new SC production goes we are still waiting on that and nothing so far. SC has missed several of their own deadlines. Then you admit that this legal process is keeping SC prices high, in a artificial way? If that is the case it's not a level playing field when comparing SC to any other manu not involved in the legal process. You have to also remember Chris the value of discs is no longer based on their original function tools. The only reason discs are still important is the market of hosts that want to be legal. That is only 5% of the hosts out here according to James, that means already 95% of the potential market is gone. That is why SC is trying to get to 10% of the market. So far less than 1% of the market is in compliance. Most of the 5% already have their materials, so the number of actual buyers is rather small. Without this legal price support system I think disc prices would probably be in a free fall situation. Not good new for the hosts that thought discs were stocks or bonds. Have a blessed day.

That's fine for you, just remember it will take, more hosting hours to recover your initial investment, then everything after that is profit, minus your expenses. Have a blessed day.

Only one problem James since the enforcement mechanism is not being employed for the DK product, using your reasoning shouldn't the value drop to zero along with that of the other non enforcement manus?

This hasn't happened either. The reason SC as an inflated of value is because of this legal process of yours. Otherwise the asking price would be much more in line with it's true value. The only reason anything has a value, is because of what someone is willing to pay for the product or service. If there are no buyers there is no value. Have a blessed day.

There are two mechanisms that would explain why there is residual value for the DK product even though it can be obtained for free or nearly free.

First, there may be some subjective value to owning the actual discs themselves. It could be sentimental value, or lack of familiarity with the mechanisms for obtaining the material electronically, or even lack of reliable internet (for example, my in-laws can't get cable or DSL internet, so they make do with dial-up).

Second, while we say that a product can be obtained for free or nearly free, it does involve taking and using the product without paying for it. That does make a lot of people uncomfortable even if there are no consequences. Such persons would be more comfortable purchasing the product.

If neither of these apply, the price is actually free.



The market price for SC discs is not "inflated."

And I am fine with that as I care about quality over quantity. I could have bought cheapo microphones too, but I didn't. I prefer quality. Just as the Mercedes owner is fine with paying more than the Yugo owner.

I did answer your question Chris, what difference does it make what price DK is currently selling at since I'm not selling? In the meantime I have made several times over my initial investment on the product. As far as new SC production goes we are still waiting on that and nothing so far. SC has missed several of their own deadlines. Then you admit that this legal process is keeping SC prices high, in a artificial way? If that is the case it's not a level playing field when comparing SC to any other manu not involved in the legal process. You have to also remember Chris the value of discs is no longer based on their original function tools. The only reason discs are still important is the market of hosts that want to be legal. That is only 5% of the hosts out here according to James, that means already 95% of the potential market is gone. That is why SC is trying to get to 10% of the market. So far less than 1% of the market is in compliance. Most of the 5% already have their materials, so the number of actual buyers is rather small. Without this legal price support system I think disc prices would probably be in a free fall situation. Not good new for the hosts that thought discs were stocks or bonds. Have a blessed day.

Both cars are transportation it just how you get to where you are going. If my goal is to get some place how I get there makes little difference.

Then the cost of SC is also free as long as you are willing to assume the risk.

If the legal process was not in place then the risk would be reduced and SC product would drop to zero also. Then SC is inflated, it is inflated by the legal process, which is it's price support mechanism. Have a blessed day.

Yup. That is difference between you and I. Enjoy your Yugo.

If there is a risk that a cost will be imposed, then it is not free. That risk has a price, even if it is a contingent price.



Well, if a convenience store decided that it would shut off its video cameras and send its clerks home and trust people to put money in the register for what they took, the risk of stealing candy bars and milk would be reduced and the "price" for those things would drop to zero also. That does not mean that $4 for a gallon of milk from a convenience store that does have clerks and video cameras is inflated by the mechanisms necessary to force people to buy what they take instead of stealing it.

What does that tell you Lonnie? The job of the disc has changed instead of the being a tool of the trade, it is now used to prove the library you have is legit. In a way I can see Chris's apples to oranges when it comes to the suits being filed. The threat of suits props up the value of the SC product. Without this legal support situation the discs would fall to their true value. That is why SC probably didn't join Cloud, it would undermine the price they could charge to license their GEM series. Have a blessed day.

That's fine for you, just remember it will take, more hosting hours to recover your initial investment, then everything after that is profit, minus your expenses. Have a blessed day.

It's all part of the cost of the milk, if you could get it right from the dairy and cut out the middle man you would pay a cheaper price per unit. The cost is not only the security, but many other factors that go into the final cost of the product. In the case of SC there is no cost except for this legal process, since they no longer have plant and equipment of their own.

There are two mechanisms that would explain why there is residual value for the DK product even though it can be obtained for free or nearly free.

First, there may be some subjective value to owning the actual discs themselves. It could be sentimental value, or lack of familiarity with the mechanisms for obtaining the material electronically, or even lack of reliable internet (for example, my in-laws can't get cable or DSL internet, so they make do with dial-up).

Second, while we say that a product can be obtained for free or nearly free, it does involve taking and using the product without paying for it. That does make a lot of people uncomfortable even if there are no consequences. Such persons would be more comfortable purchasing the product.

If neither of these apply, the price is actually free.