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Not quite for whatever price you choose Bazza, I'm sure no host would pay more than it would cost to license GEM from SC directly. The reason DK holds its value is they aren't making anymore of them. That is of course for the hosts that want to stay legal. Have a blessed day.

That's just it- I don't. I get requests for DK, Chartbuster, and even Music Maestro and Pocket Songs quite often, but haven't had a single request for SC in recent memory.

SC marketed quite well in the beginning, kind of creating a "designer label" for their brand. Kind of like designer jeans or sneakers. Sure, the quality is fine, but the money was made convincing KJs ( who then convinced their singers) that the brand was "special"- which it isn't.

Once they started crapping all over their own label, people starting realizing that the quality simply wasn't worth the hassle to use them.

Of course, they were never big in my area anyway.

My point in regard to the OP is that any market for SC is currently artificially inflated due to SC's intimidation tactics- and like the housing market- is doomed to deflate. Even inflated, not the TOP brand for the dollar online.

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The fact remains that Chris posted links with direct evidence that rarer sound choice discs are selling for $29.99 for ONE DISC.


that is well above current retail value for the little stock of in print discs that retailers are selling on ebay for an average of $17 plus shipping.

my local brick and motar store sells them for $25 which is why i don't buy from them any more

When it comes to these forums "evidence" only means something to the person posting it. It generally is (and most definitely was in this case) ignored by those that simply choose to disagree.

-Chris

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I have been told Chris that when you are making a true value judgement you have to leave emotion at the door. Looking at DK v.s. SC from a mathematical, pragmatic, business view DK is the better value for the money. Your original post was to take an objective view of the two. If it were a matter of apples to oranges then you couldn't have made the comparison in the first place. They are exactly the same type of product and I think I have demonstrated that the better value for the money over the long haul is DK. It is cheaper, it holds is value better as a set, and you have the added advantage of no manu is going rake you over the coals if you want to put it on a PC. Have a blessed day.

The only "evidence" was an ASKING price, not a selling price. DK SOLD for the prices I mentioned. Also, as stated above- NO HASSLES. SC will drop like a rock if their THREATS and INTIMIDATION TACTICS drop. Their value is not tied to quality.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I used to be able to pick up SC discs for $5-10 all day long in bulk buys up until the lawsuits started, then the prices doubled & tripled.

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if i'm going to sing Garth Brooks, i would not use the SC or CB versions, i would pick the RS. why? not because it says RS, that i could not care about nor would 99% of singers, i would use it because in the case of Garth, it sounds the best. but i wont refuse to sing it if it is a different version. It's like the guy that wanted the PHM version of some temptations song, he didn't specify that before hand so i gave him the SM version (original artist tracks) and he was mad that i did not have a better version , said that version was horrible. if you would leave a show because they do not use a specific manu, you are a self centered diva and can go away. the point of karaoke is just to have fun and requiring specifics in order to bless us with your phenomenal singing voice is not part of that. those three, one was that Temptations guy, the other two came in with no discs, but their own 3 ring binders with printed song lists of what they do and if the version was not what they required, they announced to the bar that it was our fault that the audience could not hear the best singers here and left. mind you.............these were almost 2 years apart and 2 different people. otherwise, 30+ on weeknights for the last 4 1/2 years have one complaint..........my rotation is 2 hours.
using brand to remember which version sounded the most original is great, using the brand to determine if you are going to sing seems childish to me.

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What does that tell you Lonnie? The job of the disc has changed instead of the being a tool of the trade, it is now used to prove the library you have is legit. In a way I can see Chris's apples to oranges when it comes to the suits being filed. The threat of suits props up the value of the SC product. Without this legal support situation the discs would fall to their true value. That is why SC probably didn't join Cloud, it would undermine the price they could charge to license their GEM series. Have a blessed day.

Incorrect.....AGAIN. The links I provided (which you obviously didn't click on) were for COMPLETED auctions. That means someone BOUGHT the items for the prices listed.




People who own the product don't need to buy it again. The only ones that would need to buy up Sound Choice and cause prices to rise would be the ones who didn't own it in the first place. So the only people who should feel threatened or intimidated are the pirates and thieves.

Are you suggesting it is the pirates and thieves buying up Sound Choice to cover their asses that are pushing the price up? And that by doing so they are now becoming legal and possibly even 1-1 compliant? And that Sound Choice actions are......working?

-Chris

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Bulk buys are different. I can still get SC discs for a $2-3 a disc in bulk buys though they are getting harder to find.

-Chris

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The reality of the situation is Chris the price of SC product is fluid and not a firm as you would want it to be. If the legal process went away the true price of the SC product would become apparent. The DK price is the real price since there is no legal process to prop up it's value. Have a blessed day.

All disc prices are fluid. I believe birdofsong posted just a couple years back that they sold a DK set for over $3000. What caused that price drop?

-Chris

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So instead of getting a $2,000.00 profit I would make less on DK, I never planned of making any money off the product I purchased for my shows. The money has already been made many times over like I have stated. My complete set of Zoom was given to me by a friend for a favor I did him. They are all pure profit, if I decide to sell them they are all just extra money. As a collector I don't have any plans to sell any discs. How much will the SC product value drop once the lawsuits cease? At least DK is truer to the actual market value than SC, due to the legal price support system in place for SC. Have a blessed day.

You asked "Also if I choose I can resell my DK, can I do that with GEM?"

The answer is still YES. You can sell your GEM License to anyone you choose. I don't understand why you are so confused by this. You can ask any price you wish for either. Whether or not you get it has nothing to do with the initial question..."Can you sell". Yes. You can.

You didn't answer the question. Why did DK go from >$3000 to around $1000 in just a couple of years? DK discs get rarer and rarer every single day.

To answer your question, since Sound Choice is still being sold in retail stores and online reselllers, I suspect they will hold their value quite well. Also, since I don't see Sound Choice backing off the lawsuits any time soon, that could also keep the price high. There is also the matter of Sound Choice going back into production which may or may not have an impact on pricing.

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The point is Bazza using the example of Brian I could sell my original set of DK for more than I originally gave for it. You would have to ask for less than you originally paid to license your set of GEM, otherwise the host could just license directly from SC. Also if this legal process of SC fails, what will the GEM license be worth, since it's price is probably tied to the SC legal price support system also? One thing I agree with you on, what does it matter if by the time SC collapses you have made back your initial investment many times over? Have a blessed day.

No.....The point is, you didn't answer my question - Why did DK go from >$3000 to around $1000 in just a couple of years? DK discs get rarer and rarer every single day.

-Chris

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I did answer your question Chris, what difference does it make what price DK is currently selling at since I'm not selling? In the meantime I have made several times over my initial investment on the product. As far as new SC production goes we are still waiting on that and nothing so far. SC has missed several of their own deadlines. Then you admit that this legal process is keeping SC prices high, in a artificial way? If that is the case it's not a level playing field when comparing SC to any other manu not involved in the legal process. You have to also remember Chris the value of discs is no longer based on their original function tools. The only reason discs are still important is the market of hosts that want to be legal. That is only 5% of the hosts out here according to James, that means already 95% of the potential market is gone. That is why SC is trying to get to 10% of the market. So far less than 1% of the market is in compliance. Most of the 5% already have their materials, so the number of actual buyers is rather small. Without this legal price support system I think disc prices would probably be in a free fall situation. Not good news for the hosts that thought discs were stocks or bonds. Have a blessed day.

I didn't license the GEM set in the hopes that one day I could resell the license for a profit. Anyone that thinks karaoke music is some kind of investment needs their head examined.

I licensed GEM because I wanted the best base set in the business. Some simply want the lowest price songs they can find. I am willing to pay more for the highest quality.