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 Post subject: Re: Jumping into K
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What did you end up with for equipment.
Also speaker placement & relation to the mics is a key factor for feedback.
Extended desktop is what you need for your singer screen, if it's showing the main screen on both, it's set for clone screen or duplicate. You should be able to drag your singer screen in extended desktop & enlarge on the other screen.

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Anyone know which app this is, I like the looks of it at least

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That is Virtual DJ. It is used mostly for djing. Matter of fact, I use it for djing... lol. It can play karaoke files too, but I would never use it for that. I use Karma, but that's just me. I don't think you'll ever see any serious kj use Virtual DJ as their karaoke hosting software.


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My setup is posted in my 2nd post here, this system should be capable of cranking so hopefully all will end up well with a little tweaking.


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The mixer section in that is pretty limited as far as eq'ing the channels with just a high & low. Not very powerful so you are most likely driving it pretty hard (which you stated) which will create a clipping scenerio where highs become more piercing & lows start losing steam - which will create feedback in almost any situation.
If you can, i'd recommend return it and apply the money to something a little more flexible - especially the mixer.

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Well, if you read the reviews there, there were guys saying that they were overpowering drum kits on vocals with this thing, and also guys that say it blasts out with mp3 players, so either I have a defective unit, or I am doing something wrong.
Should be stated, I've had this for months and got it for doing vocals with my acoustic guitar, this was well before I got on my karaoke kick, but I see no reason why this rig shouldn't blast out to unbearable levels in a basement.


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DO NOT BUY ANY Sound Choice from any source but original disc. They never sold anything on thumb drive, Super CDG, hard drive, or anything else but an original disc. You risk getting into trouble with them if you do.

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BTW, Sound Choice does NOT off downloads on ANY site, so if you see them on a download site, do not use that site. Once again, you could get in trouble.
Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread, but does the custom CDG from Clark Music count as original disc? Can Sound Choice tracks from these discs be played in public? MyKaraokeCDG was linked from the Sound Choice site. Also, what's the story with Karaoke Chennel? I've seen their tracks on some bona fide custom disc/download sites such as Select a track and Custom Burn. They are clearly rebranded Sound Choice but are they legit?

May I take this opportunity to wish Xray all the best with his/her new endeavour as a KJ. Keep karaoke alive and kicking as is always has been.


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Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread, but does the custom CDG from Clark Music count as original disc? Can Sound Choice tracks from these discs be played in public? MyKaraokeCDG was linked from the Sound Choice site. Also, what's the story with Karaoke Chennel? I've seen their tracks on some bona fide custom disc/download sites such as Select a track and Custom Burn. They are clearly rebranded Sound Choice but are they legit?

Yes Clark and SC consider the custom disc the same as an original disc. They have that written on the main page.
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This site is the only authorized source of Sound Choice® songs on custom CDG in the world. Sound Choice and the other manufacturers consider these to be legal “original” discs if you wish to media shift these songs to a hard drive system, as long as they remain in your possession. You should contact Sound Choice for a Covenant Not to Sue if you wish to media shift these songs.


Karaoke Channel bought the SC library. They are no longer SC tracks, they are KC tracks - yes rebranded with KC logos, yes they are legi,t however, the only download sites that offer KC tracks are for home/private use only, not for pro shows. Selectatrack no longer offer them btw. I am assuming it's because of an affiliation with PCDJ now since it was about the same time.

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Song library, thats up in the air. I am in comms with this guy who claims he can sell me 140,000, yes thats 140,000, karaoke songs on an external drive for $250, you guys think that sounds shady and/or too good to be true ?



We wanted to throw our hat into the ring as well. Due to piracy hurting us as much as it does, last week I wrote up a guide and spent the entire night posting on various pages of people we knew. Here is the article and it even deals with far less music than you were offered.

The more people that read these guides, the more exposure it will get. Any suggestions on other guides we can write, we are more than happy to. We already reported the seller to Soundchoice, Stellarrecords, Digitrax, Promo Only, ERG music, and even a new group we are starting to work with that represents the voices that cannot be heard by the big wig publishers.

http://reviews.ebay.com/dj-computer-kar ... 0176919466

We proudly attempt to guide our ship around pirates and realize that the crushing effects it has on a legit business would cause any sane person to jump ship when it is sinking and join the pirates. We refuse to compromise our core beliefs. We will gladly go down with the ship like those fine gentlemen in Titanic that played the greatest tunes until the end. God bless all that try to do right in this market. There truly is something good to be said about those that walk a straight path.

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Not getting any "sound choice", sounds like wayyyy too much drama for me. I get the feeling that if I bought anything from there, I had better hire an attorney first.
I'll read through your guide MADPROAUDIO, I would suggest the comparison to Titanic crew be revised, some may view it as on the crude/tacky side.
Craigslist guy with 145,000 songs still there http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/sys/3619645816.html, since it has been up for quite some time, I get the feeling hes selling then reselling, though his profit margins couldn't be that great including a drive in the price.


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I would suggest the comparison to Titanic crew be revised, some may view it as on the crude/tacky side.


We thank you for the heads up on the possibility of someone taking anything out of context. With that said, it truly would be a moment of context blurring for one to take offense to this. The statement merely is a great play on words that actually makes a striking message that just like those in the movie Titanic that played their music until the end and showed great courage, conviction, character. We too will gladly go down with the ship with our convictions/courage/character fully intact instead of joining the pirates of this industry. Thanks again for pointing that out as we never write anything with intentions of offending anyone and those that would take offense must simply ask for clarification because for one to find offense in the true meaning of what is said becomes sad in nature and still will not waiver what is written. Take care people, good night.

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Well, the famous sinking was so many years ago and has become so iconic that its easy to lose sight of the fact that over 1,500 people died a terrible death that night, most by drowning & hypothermia, some crushed, no doubt a variety of other we will never know. I can't say I'm "offended" per se, as I'm not a very PC guy, but to blandly compare a mass tragedy like that to your efforts to combat karaoke piracy, however commendable they may be ... Lets just say, makes me do a simultaneous eye roll and a face palm.
I'm sure you didn't mean it as such, but I bet some if not many would take that as disrespectful at best, or dancing on graves at worse. I see it more as the over the top embellishment it was meant to be, and I personally would have nothing to do with such phrasing with any project I was connected to.

Should note that I went to a large Titanic display some months back, where I saw many Titanic relics, many of them personal possessions of the deceased. Some they were able to connect with their actual owners, most will forever remain unknown who they belonged to. Was very mind boggling and sobering to see so many actual Titanic artifacts, I had no idea they recovered so much, and this is only 1 display of half a dozen or so that exist throughout the world.
They let about 100 people in at a time, and it takes a couple of hours to go through the display, then they let in another 100, so on throughout the day. It was like a funeral, people were deep in contemplation looking at something as simple as a spoon, and many were crying or wiping away tears. Everyone talked in hushed tones, even kids seemed emotional and on their best behavior. So its probably because of that experience that I feel a bit strongly about the subject.


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Well, the famous sinking was so many years ago and has become so iconic that its easy to lose sight of the fact that over 1,500 people died a terrible death that night, most by drowning & hypothermia, some crushed, no doubt a variety of other we will never know. I can't say I'm "offended" per se, as I'm not a very PC guy, but to blandly compare a mass tragedy like that to your efforts to combat karaoke piracy, however commendable they may be ... Lets just say, makes me do a simultaneous eye roll and a face palm.
I'm sure you didn't mean it as such, but I bet some if not many would take that as disrespectful at best, or dancing on graves at worse. I see it more as the over the top embellishment it was meant to be, and I personally would have nothing to do with such phrasing with any project I was connected to.

Should note that I went to a large Titanic display some months back, where I saw many Titanic relics, many of them personal possessions of the deceased. Some they were able to connect with their actual owners, most will forever remain unknown who they belonged to. Was very mind boggling and sobering to see so many actual Titanic artifacts, I had no idea they recovered so much, and this is only 1 display of half a dozen or so that exist throughout the world.
They let about 100 people in at a time, and it takes a couple of hours to go through the display, then they let in another 100, so on throughout the day. It was like a funeral, people were deep in contemplation looking at something as simple as a spoon, and many were crying or wiping away tears. Everyone talked in hushed tones, even kids seemed emotional and on their best behavior. So its probably because of that experience that I feel a bit strongly about the subject.


After you expressed that, I see where you are coming from and why you were passionate about it. Yet you still completely missed the explanation. It has to do with comparison of brave convictions/values/etc. Had zero to actually due with the Titanic itself and does nothing to compare that tragedy itself to what was written. Those who would find offense, it's sad and I shall not say anything else regarding this because it is being taken out of context. Seems like two nice people must simply disagree. Take care.

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Well, the famous sinking was so many years ago and has become so iconic that its easy to lose sight of the fact that over 1,500 people died a terrible death that night, most by drowning & hypothermia, some crushed, no doubt a variety of other we will never know. I can't say I'm "offended" per se, as I'm not a very PC guy, but to blandly compare a mass tragedy like that to your efforts to combat karaoke piracy, however commendable they may be ... Lets just say, makes me do a simultaneous eye roll and a face palm.
I'm sure you didn't mean it as such, but I bet some if not many would take that as disrespectful at best, or dancing on graves at worse. I see it more as the over the top embellishment it was meant to be, and I personally would have nothing to do with such phrasing with any project I was connected to.

Should note that I went to a large Titanic display some months back, where I saw many Titanic relics, many of them personal possessions of the deceased. Some they were able to connect with their actual owners, most will forever remain unknown who they belonged to. Was very mind boggling and sobering to see so many actual Titanic artifacts, I had no idea they recovered so much, and this is only 1 display of half a dozen or so that exist throughout the world.
They let about 100 people in at a time, and it takes a couple of hours to go through the display, then they let in another 100, so on throughout the day. It was like a funeral, people were deep in contemplation looking at something as simple as a spoon, and many were crying or wiping away tears. Everyone talked in hushed tones, even kids seemed emotional and on their best behavior. So its probably because of that experience that I feel a bit strongly about the subject.


After you expressed that, I see where you are coming from and why you were passionate about it. Yet you still completely missed the explanation. It has to do with comparison of brave convictions/values/etc. Had zero to actually due with the Titanic itself and does nothing to compare that tragedy itself to what was written. Those who would find offense, it's sad and I shall not say anything else regarding this because it is being taken out of context. Seems like two nice people must simply disagree. Take care.


M, I perfectly accept your explanation that you meant no disrespect, but it is what it is.
When someone evokes a famous mass tragedy in relation to an endeavor of theirs, in this case fighting karaoke piracy, it can't sound anything else than frivolous. You said "We will gladly go down with the ship like those fine gentlemen in Titanic" [Should be noted that over 50 children and over 100 woman went down with the ship as well] ... In relation to the Titanic, you are saying you are ready to die over the issue, for that is exactly what happened to over 1,500 who did go down with the ship - And I doubt if many were glad to do it. I can hardly believe you are ready to take it quite that far, and even if you thought you were, no one has the ability to accurately predict how they would conduct themselves in a life or death situation. You or I might behave ourselves as perfect gentleman, or we might trample over kids to get a seat on a lifeboat, you just don't know.

I admire conviction & principles, I am a man with no shortage of those traits myself, but surely you can make the same point without hyperbole, and without risking sounding insensitive to a mass tragedy, no matter how far off in time.
Again, aren't saying you meant to be, but appearances can be everything.


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Thanks for the tips, appreciated.
I will have to look into the single downloads, especially since at this point I am doing this mostly for my own enjoyment.
I'll build up a base on the cheap, where I can and when I can, for those occasions when I get out to do some backyard parties or graduation parties for friends kids ect ,,, But I'd like to concentrate my main effort towards songs and artists that I like, and that is not feasible buying random collections.

I'm almost ready to go, PA system is ready, just installed a new 21 inch monitor yesterday. I wanted a pole stand but couldn't find one, so I get a swiveling ceiling hanger bracket for the monitor. Have my new laptop with a few good songs ready to go, alls I need now is a sound wire to patch the laptops audio out into the PA.
Looks like an 1/8 to 1/4, will probably have to use an adapter.
Going to use the vga video output, hopefully all will work as intended.



To each his own but to me sometimes bigger is not better. Depending on how and where you use that big monitor, I would not have it right in front of the singer to read, it covers them up and takes away from seeing them on stage. That would be a nice little wall monitor for others to watch. I do have a 20" monitor BUT I have it on a 2 foot high stand tilted up to the singer so the audience can see all of the singer. Doesn't work in all venues I go to (all set ups are different) but I want my singers to be stars up there. Bought the darn thing by accident and it sat in my closet for a year and a half until one day it hit me to try it out, been using ever since.

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To each his own but to me sometimes bigger is not better. Depending on how and where you use that big monitor, I would not have it right in front of the singer to read, it covers them up and takes away from seeing them on stage. That would be a nice little wall monitor for others to watch. I do have a 20" monitor BUT I have it on a 2 foot high stand tilted up to the singer so the audience can see all of the singer. Doesn't work in all venues I go to (all set ups are different) but I want my singers to be stars up there. Bought the darn thing by accident and it sat in my closet for a year and a half until one day it hit me to try it out, been using ever since.[/quote]

When you think of the days of the box tv's. The standard choice was 13 inch. We typically have people set up with 19 inch monitors even though a 13 inch flatscreen would be more compact and still do the job just fine. Hard to find smaller monitors as they are no longer popular enough. So we basically support the views of both parties that either like the larger monitor or smaller.

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I'm almost ready to go, PA system is ready, just installed a new 21 inch monitor yesterday. I wanted a pole stand but couldn't find one, so I get a swiveling ceiling hanger bracket for the monitor. Have my new laptop with a few good songs ready to go, alls I need now is a sound wire to patch the laptops audio out into the PA.
Looks like an 1/8 to 1/4, will probably have to use an adapter.

Just re-reading, if you are connecting you computer via the headphone 1/8" jack, chances are that is where your crappy sound is coming from. Upgrade to a nice USB sound interface. The Lexicon Alpha is cheap & will improve the sound with a night/day difference!
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Thanks for the tips, appreciated.
I will have to look into the single downloads, especially since at this point I am doing this mostly for my own enjoyment.
I'll build up a base on the cheap, where I can and when I can, for those occasions when I get out to do some backyard parties or graduation parties for friends kids ect ,,, But I'd like to concentrate my main effort towards songs and artists that I like, and that is not feasible buying random collections.

I'm almost ready to go, PA system is ready, just installed a new 21 inch monitor yesterday. I wanted a pole stand but couldn't find one, so I get a swiveling ceiling hanger bracket for the monitor. Have my new laptop with a few good songs ready to go, alls I need now is a sound wire to patch the laptops audio out into the PA.
Looks like an 1/8 to 1/4, will probably have to use an adapter.
Going to use the vga video output, hopefully all will work as intended.



To each his own but to me sometimes bigger is not better. Depending on how and where you use that big monitor, I would not have it right in front of the singer to read, it covers them up and takes away from seeing them on stage. That would be a nice little wall monitor for others to watch. I do have a 20" monitor BUT I have it on a 2 foot high stand tilted up to the singer so the audience can see all of the singer. Doesn't work in all venues I go to (all set ups are different) but I want my singers to be stars up there. Bought the darn thing by accident and it sat in my closet for a year and a half until one day it hit me to try it out, been using ever since.


I tend to agree, really don't need it that big to simply view scrolling graphics.
This was the smallest one I could find that had mounting holes in the back, smaller ones had stands only and I wanted to mount this thing. On the + side, works great for my basement, and if I need another smaller one they are pretty cheap.


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Thanks for the tip Lonman I'll look into it.
A signal possessor/booster might be just the ticket. Haven't had much of a chance to mess with it, when I get home from work kids are about ready for bed so I can't do much cranking, hopefully this weekend I'll get it resolved and determine if I need to add that to my system.


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Thanks for the tip Lonman I'll look into it.
A signal possessor/booster might be just the ticket. Haven't had much of a chance to mess with it, when I get home from work kids are about ready for bed so I can't do much cranking, hopefully this weekend I'll get it resolved and determine if I need to add that to my system.

It's not a matter of signal booster or processing, it;s like the difference between listening to a hand held transistor radio or a full blown home stero system!

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When you think of the days of the box tv's. The standard choice was 13 inch.


I use a 14" TV that has an rca connection for my singer's monitor. I use a 22" LCD screen that has a VGA connection for the audience view. I use that on my gigs that don't already have big screen tvs for the audience view.


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