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You lost me on this one.

Hi, Cueball, I was just making the point that someone is always going to be unhappy if a key doesn't work for them, regardless of weather they prefer higher or lower,that it isn't a gender based thing, and that it makes more sense to have the tunes in the same key they were made popular in, because someone who needs a higher/lower key probably will know it, whereas someone who is fine in the key of the original will not be expecting something different, so if the "surprise" key puts a songs top or bottom notes out of their range , they likely won't know it until they are in front of a crowd.

This is an excellent point too. I don't mind alternate versions of files in a lower key existing, but if a host only has said version, it's gonna be problematic for a lot of people who are taken aback by the new key.

Fact is most of my singers never request a key change. They either know they can sing the song from being in the car/shower and attempting it, or pick one they sing all the time that's on the radio and are comfortable with. Only a handful ever request key change, and for them, I am happy to oblige

I can sing a song in whatever key it is recorded in by listening to the music being played. If the song's original key is already too high for me to sing in, I'd rather have the karaoke company record it in a key that I can sing it in. Now, if there was a song that I can sing in it's original key and someone recorded it down 2 half-steps; I would have no problem singing it in the lowered key.

I like to use Journey songs as an example. Most women can sing these songs with no problem at all while most men need the key lowered to pull them off; or they end up singing the songs an octave lower than what the original singer sang it in.

Everyone wants a song to be recorded in a key that is comfortable for them to sing it in. A woman is going to complain about the Journey song if the key is not the original key and most guys will be happy about the key being lowered at the factory.

You can't please everyone so you.....got to please yourself. la la la, la la la....

Not only DK, but other manus including SC, have made a few tracks in the wrong key. On purpose for tone-limited singers?.....I doubt it, more likely a mistake, or even a more dubious reason, like using wrong words......argument for court......well it's not really the same song.......
Now for the "key changes" argument, and he's just an example........did you know Frank Sinatra never had a single hit of his own......he did covers, and do you think he sung every one of them in the same key? Who do these people think they are to restrict songs to only the people who can sing it in a certain key? Like simpmech said.....he changes the key, no problem. Moving up or down a step or two......the vast majority of listeners don't even notice it......please

when I do a song the first thing I do is try different keys to see what I sound better as
like I'll sing in regular key first then I will try lower then I will try higher and decide for myself which key I sound good in .

Okay, Brucefan, you actually kind of unintentionally proved my point. You want a lower key to suit men? Many women wouldn't agree, because the lowered key would put it too low for them.And what about songs that have low as well as high notes?Journey tunes tend to stay in upper register(by male vocalist's usual standards) so key changes would be great on those sort of tunes for a lot of guys, but not all, and certainly not for most women.

As far as restricting to singers who can match the original artists key, ask for the key change you need and problem solved. I only meant if a singer knows a song works for them, a change they didnt expect could put some songs beyond their high or low range , and ,because they expect the original key, they won't realise until it's "too late"
Also, consider the person who knows they need a change might ask for one and end up with a key unsuitable because the key is ALREADY altered.

I just want to add that I am saying this thinking of singers in general. I have a 4 to 4 1/2 octave range that goes lower than some men and high enough to hit Mariah Carey's whistle register notes, from E#2 to E6, and up to A6 in an admittedly messy whistle register... (I know a lot of people say this, so will add that I have songs subbed in the singer's showcase section to back this claim up), so key changes really are almost never an issue for me.

I'm not trying to try to say I think this makes me the greatest singer on the planet or anything,just that my range gives me a reasonably unbiased perspective about it. Key changes , IMO, cause unnecessary confusion and could throw many singers, especially at karaoke shows where the majority don't think about key changes ,(and generally those who do would know to ask if needed) unexpectedly if they don't know a track is not in the key MOST would expect.Doesn't it just make sense to have the songs in keys most expect, and then maybe an alternate version, or just ask for a change?

I have precisely three regular singers who ALWAYS want key changes... and I mean EVERY song... whether they've sung them before or not. They just automatically want the key changed even before they hear the music.

Just for the helluv it, I've been known to pretend I've lowered (or raised) the key as they've asked, but not done so.... and I've never had a complaint.

I can't, for the life of me, figure out why they do that. Sometimes it bugs me, but I'm usually happy to accommodate.

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From my experiences, most people that come up to sing a song, that they haven't sung before, usually underestimate how high the song is....... Singythingy, you're opinion on this doesn't count.......when it comes to voices, you're a freak.......and I mean that as a compliment.....

First, welcome Singy. Nice to have an active, fresh face on the forums.

Let's keep some perspective here - It's Karaoke - Always expect the unexpected

As for changing key, I don't think most people tell if you changed keys. In three years of hosting and having changed keys for many, many people. I have never had anyone approach me to ask if that song was keyed correctly. That's not to say they didn't hear it and just never said anything, but I just don't think most people can tell unless you move it "Up/Down 4" or more. There will always be people that have some semblance of "perfect pitch" and recognize a song is higher or lower than a recorded version.

When I started singing karaoke, I was in my late 20's. Aerosmith, Journey, Sarah McLachlan, and many other female artists became a part of my repertoire. I sang in the key provided by the karaoke recording. I was somewhat proud of being able to sing some of these "very high" songs. Now that I am 20+ years down the road, I sometimes have a difficult time hitting some of the notes so I have started lowering the key. Ad far as I can tell, no one knows I am doing it and no one has ever come to me and said, "You wimp! Why didn't you sing 'My Heart Will Go On' in the original key?!?!?"

-Chris

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When I was a young man, I could hit notes, that could shatter glass.......now.......I have trouble just drinking from one....
I'd bet Amer is a profectionist...... ....can't wait to see what her range is when she's 80........

Yup. I tell people all the time, "The song you LIKE are not necessarily the songs you can SING". I would LOVE to be able to sing Journey, Police or Maroon 5 songs in their original key, but nature simply won't allow that to happen.

when I sing Olivia Newton-John songs I sing them in the original key all but one have to sing hopelessly devoted to you in a lower key because of the high notes in it and at the end
like Johnny said can't do those high notes like that any more
but I've noticed on selectatrack.com when I purchace songs and I go to sing them that sometimes the songs are lower or higher than the original song should sound like .
was trying to give an example put up one of my song tracks that does that but it seems not to let me .
every time I go to download one of my song files I purchased that does that the page goes down and restarts
and forces me to write this post all over again
so I'm not trying to download any more

Wimp for key change no, wimp for the song choice,,,, well,, ah,,, ok!

JK! Johnny's seen my attempt at a chick song!

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If one expects the unexpected, doesn't that just make the unexpected - expected so they would know what to expect???

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You wouldn't have a problem with me Earl I do about 1,000 songs all of mine have been keyrited using the MTU software program, so they are all adjusted for the right key and balance of music. That way all the host has to do is put the CDG in the player and go, working both sides of the street I try to keep everything simple. Have a great day.

yeah that's another problem I had with that dang burn site singsnap
some members thought they were so damn perfect at singing that everybody else
had to be like they and sing the songs in the original key like they did
and sing the songs exactly like the original recording of the song if you didn't then those
(@$%&#!) said you couldn't sing
and that's what I love about fandalism.com
hell even you guys on here think my songs are beautiful
singsnap never did once in a blue moon did those turkeys comment on a song I did because I did it like the original singer

sorry about bringing up that site but some of the posts on here are reminding of some of them