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I want to start recording my singers at the show and making discs for them....HOW! I can burn the disc once i get it saved to HD. I have HP laptop//BMB DX-333 mixing amp/Shure dual wireless mics/Peavey PV15 speakers!

thanks

Not legal to do so just fyi..

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I've been recording karaoke & putting it on youtube for a few years now. They emailed me, and informed me, they had been informed, that I had 3rd party content on some of my videos. They said not to worry, unless they were further pressed about the video/videos in question.
Keep in mind, youtube has offered me the option(a few times) to make money, through advertisements on my videos. This I have declined, and I'd guess if I said yes, the 3rd parties would come down on me pretty hard.....
I've noticed, my video containing Justin Bieber music, has never been pointed out. Could be because, that's how he got his start.........

My opinion has always been to do whatever you want to do until someone shows up and tells you that they would like you to stop doing it or they will sue you. I'll probably be driving slightly over the speed limit tonight on my way to karaoke too. If you only break the rules a little bit, they usually don't care.

Burning it to disc once on the hard drive is the easy part. Media Player can do that for you. The trick is getting a good quality recording to the HD. I just picked up a USB sound board that includes a recording feature, but I have yet to try it. Distributing the recordings as promotional material should keep you out of hot water. You simply can not make a profit from it. I wonder if charging $1 to cover your costs would still fall under promotional?

That's what I thought too. ASCAP didn't think that way when I got a letter telling me I need to quit or pony up some cash about 10 years ago or so. Being it's used in a commercial setting whether you as the kj personally make a profit or give away as 'promo', the bar is still making a profit because of the possible added revenue to the club.
I just ran the line out of my mixer to the sound card input & used Audacity.

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+1, not legal.

The material you are recording is not licenced for reproduction. Even giving it away at a commerical show is a feature of your show that gives it competitive advantage and helps you generate revenue for your show and your venue. You probably won't be caught, but you are breaking the law by doing so, and could be prosecuted and sued for doing so.

BruceFan4Life, I typically like your posts here on the board, but I have to really attack your stance here.

I personally think it is an ethics issue - if you know it's illegal, you shouldn't do it. It's not a matter of if you agree with the law or not, it's still the law. And willingness to bend the law just because you don't think you'll get caught shows that you'll do so with any given law....and that's a matter of integrity. I make mistakes, but I don't break the law on purpose.

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C Mc
KJ, FL

Like everyone on here.......draw the line where you feel comfortable........going one mile over the posted speed limit or whatever.........we all fall short of the glory of that ol' karaoke god in the sky....

Have I gotten speeding tickets in the past? Hell yes. People get them every day. What does that tell you about human beings? They are risk takers. I know there are risks out there for driving over the speed limit but I just can't seem to drive 25 miles per hour. When I'm on a highway and everyone around me is driving 75MPH; I can't drive 55MPH. There are literally tens of thousands of policemen out there enforcing the law all over the country and they can't possibly catch everyone that is driving over the speed limits.

Now, let's look at the karaoke situation. How many people do you think that Sound Choice has all over the country checking out karaoke bars on a daily basis? My guess would be less than 10. Now what are the odds that one of those 10 people are going to turn up at the bar where the KJ is recording his singers and giving them a free CD of their performances? My guess would be 1 in ten million, at least. It's probably more likely that you'd be struck by lightning. That being said; I'll take my chances. I never claimed to be a saint. Would I kick a dog? No. Would I steal my neighbors tools? No. Would I kill someone? Not unless they posed a danger to me or my family. Will I download a movie and watch it for free? Guilty! Will I download a song. Yes. Will I play a karaoke disc that is on a CD-R disc. Yes. I'm not trying to get into heaven. I'm just trying to live my life and have a good time. I'm sorry if some of my choices disturb you but it is what it is. I think I do more "good" things than "bad" things during the course of my days and I'll just have to live with my "faults".

Re-recording at gigs is a rights-holder issue, not just a Sound Choice thing.

The problem with that stance when it comes to the basics of intellectual property laws and unfair competition is that you are basically saying you are willing to screw over the artist who created the song AND you're willing to screw over the legal KJ down the street. That's alot different than going a few miles over the speed limit.

I'll conceed that there are grey areas to most laws, and I'll conceed that the intellectual property laws are convoluted and most people just don't understand them....HOWEVER, for someone who understands that it's stealing, and chooses to steal anyway, well, they are just a thief. The "I won't get caught" arguement is pretty null, unless you just don't include stealing as a negative in your definition of moral character and integrity, and in which case you would be fine with having your stuff stolen as well, or your karaoke show put out of business by a competing show.

Sorry for the soapbox. I have tons of sympathy for your average joe who doesn't understand the jacked up laws, which should definitely be reformed. I don't have much patience for those that know the laws and break it on purpose, just because it's difficult to measure how much you are hurting the victims and the probability of consequences are low.

If the karaoke guy up the street from me started stealing my business because he gave his singers unlicenced performance videos, I wouldn't hesitate to turn him in.

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C Mc
KJ, FL

That's very funny. Legal KJs have been reporting illegal KJs for years and what have they acconplshed? NOTHING! The same KJs are still in business running multiple rigs using thousands of illegally obtained tracks. Who exactly is going to stop the KJ from giving away recordings? Do you really think that the police will get involved?

Here's what I've learned over the years about law; it's not the same for you, as it is for the rich, the famous, lawmakers, lawyers, judges, law enforcement officers.....yadayadayada.
You watch TV, and you see all these advertisements for snake oils, and products, that don't do anything, that they claim, but as long as they and the stations pay taxes, the laws allow them to continue to try and deceive us.
Now for a kj to charge extra for this service, that would be crossing the line, which I feel comfortable drawing. I don't see how a kj could/would do this for everyone, and not charge extra.
How would you do this legally? Complicated. Get a license from The Harry Fox Agency for each song you wish to record a cover. Now if you have a live band karaoke, I'd say you have it about covered, but I'm not completely sure. Now if you use a karaoke track, you would have to have a license to reproduce that track, from whoever(they created the music track, hopefully with the proper licenses) owns the rights to it.....I doubt you could simply get permission. If you include lyrics anywhere in a video, you'd need mechanical rights.....anyone care to add anything else?
I don't know if you can get all of these things?????

Putting legalities aside ( I don't, except for this post):

Making the recordings- I mean at a public show- ends up being more of a PITA, even using a PC- than it is worth for bringing in business. I did it before I knew any better.....

I actually get more positive response with either a digital pic of them singing that I text, or even a Polaroid (Yup, you can still get film for them).

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I disagree, when I did record a few years back, this was a HUGE draw. And I did not consider it a PITA. Just ran my tape out of my mixer to the sound card input on the computer. Used Audacity. Brought the files home to process then uploaded them to my website in a private folder (not accessable to the general public) that the singers that wanted to download their performance could.

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I definitely agree with you here. There is a karaoke bar up the street that advertises 180,000 songs all over the place. They directly compete with my Wednesday night show, and definitely steal at least a small portion of my business. I've reported them through the SoundChoice and Chartbuster sites a few times over the years, but nothing's ever come of it. Not a big deal, I beat the guy on every other substantive characteristic of a karaoke show except my library, so he's not affecting me too much.

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C Mc
KJ, FL

hey, you might be doing something illegal at your show....even wearing a Tampa Bay Buccaneers jersey is illegal, if could bring in some fans.....

ps.....dealing with people, and trying to make them happy with just the singing part is hard enough......let alone making cds & videos of them...... ...I decided several years ago.....even only doing the first part(and the smoke) wasn't worth the money....

You are kidding about wear the Bucs jersey, right? How could that be illegal??

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I always thought the difference was the $$$. Just recording was not a big deal, but SELLING a recording was? No?

No. The bar is generating revenue from the draw so that is still considered monetary gain.

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