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There would not ordinarily be a cost for that permission, but it would be "special" permission because it would need to be justified. (Ordinary permission, such as must be obtained for general media-shifting, does not need to be justified.)

I can't control whether other karaoke manufacturers choose to police their rights, or how they choose to do so.

Considering that SC gets no money from "people that have always been legal in the first place," and considering that GEM series licenses are selling pretty briskly, your assertions are false.

WOW!

so SC didn't get paid for the music i purchased on disc?

i beg to differ, i've paid 26.99 a single disc and higher over the years for my legal music!
at 500 + disc's i think they've made a considerable amount of money and i've paid way more then any gem series license over the years......

go figure?

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He was referring to lawsuits, not prior purchases, and so was I.

So people just have to say pretty please with a cherry on top? How kindergarden like!

No.

If you want to split a disc, you're going to have to justify your reasons for doing so.

As I said before, media-shifting is not supposed to allow you to make more use of the material than you would be able to accomplish using discs. It is only supposed to make the physical process easier. Disc-splitting would allow you to use the same disc in two different places at the same time--something that would be impossible if you were using original discs.

So, if you are going to get permission, you're going to need an awfully good reason.

i said it in English, though.

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So you guys are telling me that if you have 500 SC discs and across those discs you find the same song on multiple discs that you are going to copy that whole disc to you system just because SC says you can't split discs? If you don't copy the whole disc then you have split the disc even tho you haven't copied a particular song to another drive, if you leave 1 song out then you have split the disc. No wonder some KJ's can claim 100000 songs they have copied a song from the same manu multiple times. I'd bet dollars to donuts that Lonnie has split his discs if you go by the true meaning that SC has laid out. Even tho I voted for option 2 that leaves out D/L's so if you have D/L'ed anything you can never be 1:1 as there is no physical disc.

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Excuse me - gimme your dollars because you lost son!?!?? Every SC disc I have is sitting in the club along side the computer - all dup'd tracks and what not - nothing has been split anywhere.
If I were to get a second system, I would in fact purchase a full new library and not try to nitpick those few tracks I might have dups of into a 2nd system to start with.
If I were downloading tracks - I would purchase as many tracks as I needed for each system - 2 systems, 2 purchases.

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Your telling me that you have ripped all your SC disc fully? That you have multiple copies of a SC song because it came on multiple discs????? WHY???

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Yes that is what i'm telling you. Why? Because they were on the disc. Why not? I don't count those dup's in my total songs nor do I list duplicates in my books, plus they work as a quick backup if one of the other tracks are damaged. I have a bad rip of Here I Go Again - Whitesnake from 8716, but know to use the 8631 track instead. I probably could delete the bad rips - yes, but they wouldn't go to any other place but the recycle bin! I also don't allow any song with cursing in it per the bar rules, but they are still on the computer.
But in all honesty, I have never been one to purposely buy discs that I had dups already - unless it was to replace an inferior version. So the duplicated tracks I might have from SC would be less then a couple hundred IF that - not worth going through & trying to nitpick them out. Like picking the fly (@$%&#!) out of the pepper.

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No. As we see it, disc-splitting requires copying tracks from one single physical disc to two or more media. If you rip fewer than all of the tracks from a disc onto the hard drive, that by itself is not disc-splitting; it's perfectly ordinary media-shifting that would be governed by the Media Shifting Policy. It becomes disc-splitting when you rip the previously un-ripped tracks onto a different hard drive.

Thank you Jim for that clarification.

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This is contrary to what Harrington's client, Sound Choice, says on it's "Safe Harbor" page - once again (posted earlier in this thread):

The Surest Way To Be Legal

Legal operation starts by acquiring an original Sound Choice� CD+G or MP3+G data disc for every track you intend to play at a show.

Interpreted as:

Legal operation (conforming to all applicable copyright laws)
starts by acquiring (purchasing)
an original Sound Choice CD+G or MP3+G data disc (AN ORIGINAL, meaning ONE)
for every track (Every song)
you intend (regardless of whether or not anyone actually sings it)
to play at a show (Keyword here is "A"; A SHOW, so if that one track is offered at one show from that one original disk, it is unlawful to copy it to another hard drive or offer it at another show. As long as you aren't doing that, you are ok. Permission has been granted, in my opinion, by Sound Choice. I bet any court will agree. SC calls it "The SUREST was to stay legal" - so there it is. Go to that page, save it as a text file and if it ever comes up in court, there is your permission.

Your welcome.

http://scsafeharbor.com/stayinglegal.php

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But that is ridiculous. Let's say you have 100 SC discs. Now in that 100 discs you have 4 versions of Blue Suede shoes. It is unreasonable to NOT allow someone to rip those extra three versions to three other drives, as only only one of the four versions is on the first drive. You have paid for four separate versions of the same song. You should be allowed to rip it elsewhere. There is no advantage there. It's not an unfair advantage to use the other three versions on other drives. I think you are taking this whole control thing WAY too far. This only solidifies what I have said about Kurt, that he is an absolute control freak.

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Technically you paid for a disc (not a song) that has a package of songs. That package is considered a single unit and everything moves together.

I multi-rig which means I have 3-6 copies of most of the discs I have. I have a lot more flexibility with the purchase of the GEM and after I purchased the CB 12000+ Drives.

I am in the middle of an big inventory and I have a BUNCH of extra discs I am going to start selling off.

-Chris

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You use one mp3g of Blue Suade shoes shifted from one SC cdg at one show, and you use one mpg3 of BSS taken from a different SC cdg at a second show.......you are still 1/1....

You guys, READ THAT PAGE (SC Safe Harbor). SC has given permission, Harrington is obviously not in step with his client. It is all right there.

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Sound Choice does not authorize the use of hard drive systems to play our karaoke music commercially. But we will agree not to sue you for "media-shifting" the contents of our CD+Gs or MP3+G discs if you follow our media-shifting policy.

To determine one-to-one correspondence, we look at the other medium, usually a hard drive. For every Sound Choice� track on that hard drive, you must own an original Sound Choice CD+G or MP3+G disc that contains that track.

The hard drive track and the CD+G or MP3+G track are assigned to each other. Once you've assigned a CD+G track to a hard drive track, you have to put that CD+G or MP3+G disc "on the shelf."

Examples of One-To-One

Let's say you have two hard drive systems, each with the same content. In that case, for each track you have, you need two disc tracks, one for each hard drive.

Editors note: Note it says you need two disk tracks, NOT two different disks.

Source: http://scsafeharbor.com/stayinglegal.php

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As I read the poll choices and the heading, I don't see my situation covered. I know someone said we should stick to cdg situations but that doesn't cover mine 100%.

Of course I have cdgs, but I also have original digital songs, they came from my KJMP. Once unlocked, the song is stored in my internal drive along with my other digital karaoke music. About once every two weeks, I take these new songs (all Chartbuster at this time) and copy them into an external drive so I have a copy of them. So I can't take the poll. Personally, the choices seem to be splitting hairs to me a bit and the manus should concentrate on those "hosts" who are obviously using no Originals, whether that means cdg or digital. I can prove I paid for each and every digital song I ever purchased and for the most part, my days of buying cdgs are over.

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@RipMan - I think many of us are in similar situations. Those of us that use Select-A-Track, KaraokeVersion, KaraokeCloud or other download sites won't have hard copies of those tracks. In those cases I simply keep all of my transaction emails as well as PayPal transactions for tracking.

I think if we limit the poll to just content that was originally distributed on physical CD/DVD Media, then we can still get accurate polling.

It seems pretty obvious that people are split on how they interpret 1:1 and I imagine many people vote along the lines of how them manage their libraries currently.

-Chris

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