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You might argue that this belongs in the piracy section, but this has more to do with the new software I created than "legalities & piracy". Move it if you will...

Anyway, the new software I designed first & foremost identifies duplicate songs using a complex formula that I estimate can identify 99%+ of duplicate songs. What it also does (or can do) is take those songs (actually, the files) and segregate them from the "primary" library. The point is to build additional libraries with the duplicates from the primary library.

Someone informed me that this is not what 1:1 means, that each disk must be contained in only one library.

What do you think?

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...I can't cast at this point because I've seen some conflicting postings by various posters (including some that represent the Karaoke Manufacturers). However, I am a one rigger so most likely I would go with:

"1:1 means that for every song you offer, a hard copy of that song exists. EACH DISK MAY BE PRESENT IN ONLY ONE LIBRARY."

...I think one of the Karaoke Manufacturer Reps did mention that you could split up a disc between libraries and would still be consider 1:1 in their eyes. I do believe that the following should be considered, as far as being legal and would cast my vote for this option:

"1:1 means that for every song you offer, a hard copy of that song exists. DISKS MAY BE SPLIT INTO MULTIPLE LIBRARIES."

...But, if I remember correctly, the GEM SERIES is not allowed to be split up. Maybe a GEM user can clear that up or Mr. H.
...Personally, I do my best with the accepted-basic Layman's Laws in this area but am getting tired of being frustrated with the micro-laws. It's so out of control with the so-called "Gray-Areas" in this industry.

One library. 1 song on your computer - 1 disc to back it up. If you have another system, you need another disc.

Chartbuster was the only one that said you could split a disc - and that was ONLY the later discs that came with the identical mp3g file on the same disc as the cdg.

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i asked this specific question to sound choice over the phone, when i was considering the audit?

as long as you remain 1:1 you songs can be split up, it just has to be specified when doing the audit with them.

it's a seperate fee per system, so if your running 2 systems you have to specify which songs are being used with each and pay a seperate audit fee....

but i didn't do the audit and i'm not going too....

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Note: this is from the SC Safe Harbor Program at http://scsafeharbor.com/stayinglegal.php


The Surest Way To Be Legal

Legal operation starts by acquiring an original Sound Choice� CD+G or MP3+G data disc for every track you intend to play at a show.

So, you must have an original disk for each track. Sounds like its ok to me.

I don't think they would have a leg to stand on, and I also don't think they really care about legal multi-riggers I disagree with their "file now, ask questions later" tactics, but I still don't know of any legal hosts that ended up owing money. I could be wrong...

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The GEM series specifically states the following -

"SET SPLITTING. All songs on all discs in a set under a corresponding Proof of License Sticker must reside together on the same hard drive system. They may not be split up so as to subdivide the set, load part of the set onto one Non-Original Medium and part of the set onto another Non-Original Medium, or divide the set for transfer to multiple recipients. For further clarification and the avoidance of doubt by way of example, all songs on Discs numbered 10001 thru 10100 and commonly referred to as The Diamond must remain together on the one Non- Original Medium which will have the corresponding Proof-of License Sticker affixed to it; all songs on Discs numbered 10181 through 10190 and commonly referred to as Sapphire 1 must remain together on one Non-Original Medium which will have the corresponding Proof-of License Sticker affixed to it, etc."

In other words, GEM is licensed to a specific system. I can't take individual tracks and move them to other rigs.

I personally feel it is silly to deny us the ability to move individual tracks to different systems. There are kids songs that I will never use in my regular show, but would love to break out into a separate system for kid shows. There are also tracks that have explicit language that might not be allowed by some venues but totally acceptable at others. There are also a lot of "Golden Oldies", Traditional, Gospel, Religious, or other genre specific tracks that I could use at one place but not another.

That said, I knew exactly what the terms for the GEM were when I licensed it. I have plenty of other tracks to fill in the gaps if I ever decide to do those kinds of specific gigs.

-Chris

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-Chris

From that snippet it sound like 1:1 meaning 1 disc per library. Not splitting up songs between 1 disc.

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Sounds like another instance of one particular karaoke company trying to control what people do with something that they bought and paid for. Once again, I'd like to see this issue get to a court room and let a judge decide. I buy 15 songs that just happen to be on the same disc; I should be able to use them in any way I see fit; just as if I had paid and downloaded them one at a time. I'm not about to just take Sound Choice's word as the law. It is only their opinion and their desire to force people to buy more of their product by forbidding things that common sense would allow a consumer to do. It's like Budweiser telling me I can't put 12 bottles of beer in two separate refrigerators becauise I bought 24 bottles in a "CASE"....or like FORD telling me that all four of the tires on my car have to be of the same brand; no mixing Goodyear and Michelin tires. Give me a break!

the only one that explicitly denies it is the GEM. other than that the other manus are doing digital, one off distribution and consider a track as an individual piece. that manner of thinking is why Sunfly, Zoom, SBI and the others selling digitally have taken the lions share of the market and selling more than before.

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Song on legal cdg/3 or less copies of, in digital format/only eminating from a single playing apperatus at any given time.

I think we should limit the discussion to karaoke tracks that have been distributed on physical media and more specifically on CD+G. Obviously, individual tracks downloaded from a site like KaraokeVersion are not "linked" to any other tracks.

In the case of karaoke on a CD+G, an argument can be made by the manufacturers that the only way they distributed a particular set of tracks was on a physical medium that could not in and of itself be broken into distinct parts and remain usable. Just because the technology exists to break it up and store it in another format or on another physical format does not give anyone the right to do so. Certainly not within the context of using it in a setting for financial gain. Also, just because they have not specifically stated that you cannot do something, doesn't mean that you can.

Either way, policies change. What was once granted can be taken away and what never given can later be granted.

-Chris

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And it stands to reason individual tracks purchased - if you want those on more than one system, you need to purchase however many you'd need. 3 systems - 3 purchases.

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The theory behind allowing media shifting, whether under a specific policy or under fair use analysis, is that the media shift should not leave you in a better position with respect to use than using discs.

If you were using discs, you would not be able to play tracks from that disc in two places at once, so we would consider disc-splitting a violation. However, you can ask for special permission.

What do you mean by system? Let's say I have one computer, and I use it on the house systems of seven different venues.

If that computer is only being used 1 night per week in 7 different venues (a different venue each night not overlapping where more than one show are going simultaneously) - that would still be considered 1 system (library) whether you are using the house PA or not.

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I agree.

-Chris

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-Chris

Actually, you could use the same system at two different places on the same day, just not simultaneously. If you can do a party in the afternoon than a bar at night, you are fine. What they are trying to say is that one library of music cannot be used at more than one place at one time. You can even run one library of music on 10 different karaoke systems all you want, as long as none of them are in simultaneous use. Say you have 10 shows a week. 5 afternoon shows at five different places, and 5 night shows at five different places. As long as you are only running one show at a time with your single set of discs, (which includes anything you ripped), then you are fine.

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I was actually amending my post to say this very thing, you beat me to it.

But yes multiple shows per day would be fine too as long as like stated, they didn't overlap in any manner.
One time I ran 3 shows in 1 Sat. Had a morning show at a school function from 8-12. A private birthday from 2-6 & a full patio party from 8-1. All using the 1 system (back in disc days). It was a great money day, (@$%&#!) though to try to get everything set/broke & drive time, luckily they were all in the same general vicinity.

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and how much does the "Special Permission" cost? They'll let you do anything at all...as long as you are willing to line their pockets, while no other karaoke company seems to give a rat's (@$%&#!). They are in the business of selling nothing but "special permisson" these days to people who have bought into their propaganda and fear mongering. I think they're getting more money from people that have always been legal in the first place than getting settlements from pirates. Pirates just keep on keepin on while the cheerleaders just keep paying for their special permission stickers.

kinda what I said here, smooth?