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Smoothedge69
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Lonman wrote: Maybe this should have been stated, would have cleared things up slightly, but I agree, just because you think that the DK version is better, you had the other version she was used to - why force them? Let them sing the version they are used to. Umm, if I ever go there without my buddy's discs, like if he has a party to do, I will only have MY discs, so people should be ready to sing my versions, don'tcha think?
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chrisavis wrote: Lonman wrote: I disagree with Chris as far as discs. I get people bringing in thier own discs almost nightly - young & old alike. Most are custom discs from like Selectatrack or Tricerasoft, others are the Walmart brands - people get used to practicing with a particular version & I am not going to deny them their enjoyment to sing a sing they learned.
As far as SC brand, not going to slice my throat to drop the brand. It is heavily used and even requested preferred versions. Lonnie - You have a decidedly unique situation in that you have been at the same venue for 20+ years. You were there slinging discs yourself at the same time consumers actually purchased discs. At your average karaoke venue, the shows have been active for only a few years at best. They don't have the established long term audience that you have. -Chris Not that unique a situation Chris, you might hit all the modern hot spots, and that's your thing. There are still plenty of shows out here where singers bring their own discs. If you want to cover all bases it wouldn't hurt to have a player, it's not that expensive and can be an extra item for your show. Never hurts to have an Ace in the hole, even Paladin had his little derringer. Have a nice day.
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Lonman
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Or double up the library & duplicate what is already there (buying of course not copying). I'd be pissed if I went to sing at a club that had discs I prefer one night but not another and had to sing another version that I wasn't used to or didn't care for.
So in that case, if I thought I was taking the show, i'd use my library only and not confuse people with the other library at all - either duplicate or get rid of it.
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I see discs from people really committed to practicing or into having a unique song that no one else does. But as more home practice people get into downloading and streaming then there are more formats that I can't comfortably play for them. I have been asked if I can play a "phone" song before and had to refuse.
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Lonman
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chrisavis wrote: Lonman wrote: I disagree with Chris as far as discs. I get people bringing in thier own discs almost nightly - young & old alike. Most are custom discs from like Selectatrack or Tricerasoft, others are the Walmart brands - people get used to practicing with a particular version & I am not going to deny them their enjoyment to sing a sing they learned.
As far as SC brand, not going to slice my throat to drop the brand. It is heavily used and even requested preferred versions. Lonnie - You have a decidedly unique situation in that you have been at the same venue for 20+ years. You were there slinging discs yourself at the same time consumers actually purchased discs. At your average karaoke venue, the shows have been active for only a few years at best. They don't have the established long term audience that you have. -Chris The audience actually changes out every year or two. I can count on one hand that ha been coming in as long as i've been there and have fingers left over  . I get new people in all the time because they saw on my website that I still play discs and do make the statement to the effect that they normally don't bring their discs to places anymore because most kj's can't/won't play them anymore. I advertise the fact. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Smoothedge69
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Lonman wrote: Or double up the library & duplicate what is already there (buying of course not copying). I'd be pissed if I went to sing at a club that had discs I prefer one night but not another and had to sing another version that I wasn't used to or didn't care for.
So in that case, if I thought I was taking the show, i'd use my library only and not confuse people with the other library at all - either duplicate or get rid of it. When you give me the money, and can find all the old Legends Series discs and all the old Pioneer Series, plus all the All Star that he has, I will gladly buy a whole bunch of stuff to duplicate his collection. Until then, STFU, and let me run my show the way I need to, for now. I don't have thousands of dollars laying around to purchase a huge library of discs. I am doing it little by little, and buying what I need, when I need it. Touch CHIT if you don't like how I do things. Damn, YOU are a Karaoke Prima Dona!!
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Ha, yeah - no.  Funniest thing you've said in a long time!!! Thanks for the laugh! E-bay is great for locating those Legends and Pioneer discs btw, and they cost far from thousands of dollars. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Lonman wrote: Ha, yeah - no. Funniest thing you've said in a long time!!! Thanks for the laugh! E-bay is great for locating those Legends and Pioneer discs btw, and they cost far from thousands of dollars. Still, I have to do it little by little. I have other things to pay then just buying discs.
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i will get a sideways "what is this" look if i play a version they are not used to.....but in almost 6 years i have yet to have even one be able to tell me which version they are used to.
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As a singer, and one who uses karaoke as an excuse to be in bars as many nights as possible while feeling less like an alcoholic, I can generally tell what version someone is singing if it's a song I have done, and especially if I have done the song from more than a few manufacturers. And again, as a singer, I do know which versions I prefer, which is why I like having a book that lists those codes. And for a lot of pop songs from the 60s through the early 90s, I do tend to prefer the SoundChoice catalogue. It doesn't make or break a show for me if they don't have the exact version I want.
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Smoothedge69
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NoShameKaraoke wrote: As a singer, and one who uses karaoke as an excuse to be in bars as many nights as possible while feeling less like an alcoholic, I can generally tell what version someone is singing if it's a song I have done, and especially if I have done the song from more than a few manufacturers. And again, as a singer, I do know which versions I prefer, which is why I like having a book that lists those codes. And for a lot of pop songs from the 60s through the early 90s, I do tend to prefer the SoundChoice catalogue. It doesn't make or break a show for me if they don't have the exact version I want. I am the same way. I have my songs from certain brands that I like, and some that I don't, but I won't walk out the door and never go back if a KJ gives me a version I don't like, or I am not familiar with. If you are a good enough singer you can compensate for a bad version, anyway.
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Smoothedge69 wrote: I am the same way. I have my songs from certain brands that I like, and some that I don't, but I won't walk out the door and never go back if a KJ gives me a version I don't like, or I am not familiar with. If you are a good enough singer you can compensate for a bad version, anyway. Oh, I'm a ghastly singer. From the audience's perspective, it probably doesn't matter which version I'm doing. _________________ Co-host of The Greatest Song Ever Sung (Poorly), a karaoke-themed podcast
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NoShameKaraoke wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: I am the same way. I have my songs from certain brands that I like, and some that I don't, but I won't walk out the door and never go back if a KJ gives me a version I don't like, or I am not familiar with. If you are a good enough singer you can compensate for a bad version, anyway. Oh, I'm a ghastly singer. From the audience's perspective, it probably doesn't matter which version I'm doing. . Well, ok. My lady is one of those. Shh, don't tell her I said that. 
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Lonman wrote: But you were working for your friend with his discs you stated. That is what you should of used IMO not pushing your discs at his show. If I was filling in for a friend, I sure wouldn't be bringing in my library...
...Or double up the library & duplicate what is already there (buying of course not copying). Lonnie, I have to disagree with you here. Over the years, I have filled in for many KJs in my area. And, I am not the only one who has done this. WHen one of us fills in, it is usually because the KJ in question has double-booked himself, or is sick. In either case, when any of us have filled in, we have used our own equipment and libraries to run the show. Now some of our libraries may overlap, and some may be different, but none of us has ever been expected to (as you may be implying) rely soley on that KJ's library, and not use our own. And, to be expected to go out and purchase all of the discs that the other KJ may have in his library would be asking quite a bit (IMO). Smoothedge69 wrote: she usually sings the legends version, I think. I gave her my DK version, which is MUCH better. She gave me that look and was like "this is different" I told her that it was much closer to the real song than the other version. She kept singing it, and was fine with it. People can adapt very easily.
…And as I said, she was fine with the version, just wasn't used to it, because it was a bit slower…
…FYI, she didn't ask for a certain version. I try to give the best version I have on hand. I have a question for you... Now, this has nothing to do with whether one version was/is better than the other... This woman you mentioned may have been ok with (as you said) singing a different version of the song she chose, and she kept singing it to the end, but can you say, with certainty, that she was comfortable with it, or that she just adapted to it because it was her turn to sing, and that was what you queued up? If she was truely comfortable with it, do you know if she now asks for that particular version of the song when she wants to sing it again? MrBoo wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: So then the venue owners wanted you to use more variety in your show, and not just the SC label. The bottom line is it was a hassle they didn't care to deal with and I couldn't blame them. @ Lone Ranger... MrBoo wasn't saying that the club wanted more variety than just SC. He was saying that they didn't want to be bothered with the hassles they associated with the use of that brand. The Lone Ranger wrote: If they are real divas most of them bring their own discs, anyway. It is sort of a status symbol, like they have arrived. And, are you saying that it's ONLY Divas who bring their own discs to a show? Your comment sounds somewhat insulting to me. I bring my own discs (and now a flash drive) with me to shows, NOT to announce that "I am here!", but to use when I know that the KJ does not have certain selections which I would like to sing from. I have also been to shows (in my area), where more than half of the Karaoke Singers there have brought their own discs with them. Some of them are great singres, some are average, and some are awful. BUT, NONE OF THEM appeared to be Divas. chrisavis wrote: While I have seen many people over the years bring their own discs in and I used to do it myself, it is a trend that is rapidly dying. That could very well be due to the fact that more KJs have converted from using discs to running their shows from a computer, and then telling everyone that they can't/won't play personal discs. People stop bringing their discs with them when they know that the KJ is not going to use them.
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cueball wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: she usually sings the legends version, I think. I gave her my DK version, which is MUCH better. She gave me that look and was like "this is different" I told her that it was much closer to the real song than the other version. She kept singing it, and was fine with it. People can adapt very easily.
…And as I said, she was fine with the version, just wasn't used to it, because it was a bit slower…
…FYI, she didn't ask for a certain version. I try to give the best version I have on hand. I have a question for you... Now, this has nothing to do with whether one version was/is better than the other... This woman you mentioned may have been ok with (as you said) singing a different version of the song she chose, and she kept singing it to the end, but can you say, with certainty, that she was comfortable with it, or that she just adapted to it because it was her turn to sing, and that was what you queued up? If she was truely comfortable with it, do you know if she now asks for that particular version of the song when she wants to sing it again? She's the bartender. She knows when I work and when my buddy works. If she wants my version she knows that I will have it with me when I hang out, or when I work there. By the way, it was slower than the one she was used to. She is a good singer, and adjusted just fine.
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Smoothedge69 wrote: ... it was slower than the one she was used to. She is a good singer, and adjusted just fine. That doesn't really answer my question. She adjusted to it, because that was what you had queued for her to sing. Quote: ...can you say, with certainty, that she was comfortable with it, or that she just adapted to it because it was her turn to sing, and that was what you queued up?
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cueball wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: ... it was slower than the one she was used to. She is a good singer, and adjusted just fine. That doesn't really answer my question. She adjusted to it, because that was what you had queued for her to sing. Quote: ...can you say, with certainty, that she was comfortable with it, or that she just adapted to it because it was her turn to sing, and that was what you queued up? Yeah, she told me she was fine with it, afterward. I asked her.
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Karma can adjust Pitch and Tempo on the fly as well as the sync of the lyric scroll. I have I have used all three of the options from time to time. I regularly get people asking if pitch can be changed.
It has been 4 months since anyone has brought discs to any show I have.
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cueball wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: If they are real divas most of them bring their own discs, anyway. It is sort of a status symbol, like they have arrived. And, are you saying that it's ONLY Divas who bring their own discs to a show? Your comment sounds somewhat insulting to me. I bring my own discs (and now a flash drive) with me to shows, NOT to announce that "I am here!", but to use when I know that the KJ does not have certain selections which I would like to sing from. I have also been to shows (in my area), where more than half of the Karaoke Singers there have brought their own discs with them. Some of them are great singres, some are average, and some are awful. BUT, NONE OF THEM appeared to be Divas. I don't see why you should find my comment insulting, I was talking about Divas, not about regular patrons bringing their discs. I didn't say everyone bringing a disc is a Diva, some Divas bring no disc then complain they don't like the version of the song I happen to have. I didn't say you were a Diva did I? You seem to assume just because you bring in your own songs that I would think that you are. Being a fellow host you have some idea of what it is like to run the machine and manage the show. I don't think you would be the type of customer that would display Diva tendencies. A True Diva doesn't want to be part of a show, they want to be the show. I had one man who seriously wanted me to just let him sing all night. Sort of being in concert, if you came to my show with your flash drive I could play it on my RSQ-22. I hope this answers your concerns . Have a blessed day.
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Smoothedge69 wrote: ripman8 wrote: unorganized or uncared for books. No books. Not always a sign of a pirate. My buddy is TERRIBLE with his books. He had 10, and is now down to 1, plus the two small books I made for him of his newer stuff. He's an OMD host (not for any reason other than he isn't much of a computer geek. I told him, whenever he's ready I will help him get set up. )He just can't be bothered with the books. Personally, I would rather work without books, just because it's a nuisance. I don't have any, yet, because I am still working on the damn thing!! I am doing it manually in Excel. But you can't condemn a person as being a pirate just because of his books. Well let me restate it, anyone with unorganized or uncared for books or no books is either a pirate AND/OR someone who does not take pride in their business (pardons to those who run strictly from a kiosk and no books, you don't fall in those categories). I guarantee you the percentage of hosts who manage their books in this manner and ARE pirates, is much higher than the perc of those who show pride in their books. So that makes it an eye opener and a consideration for a further look at that host. The excuse "can't be bothered" is pathetic in my opinion, take a little pride in what you do!
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