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Yup, but since those "backup copy" wars were fought and last in the 90's, SC has no case. This is why KJs should educate themselves regarding their own businesses, so they won't be intimidated by a company that mismanaged themselves out of production, and are scrabbling , hoping, hoping, and depending on intimidation for an income.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

You are absolutely correct. As previously stated, we live by the sufferance of the publisher/owner. HOWEVER, if they get involved and want to sue folks, the factory original discs shift MOST of the liability back to the karaoke mfr., leaving me with-at most- a Cease & Desist. A download host without any factory original product can be stuck for a lot more. Yes, this is per the attorneys that I paid for 30 years. PLEASE feel free to pay for your own expertise, instead of trying to cheap your way through the business process.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

ODB hosts are displaying a re-creation as well since the information in it's disc based form is actually a series of bits (0's and 1's). Unless you are showing binary streams on your screen, then ODB hosts are displaying a copy from the original disc based data if even temporarily.

-Chris

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Why don't we just throw all the hosts in the manu paddy wagon and we can sort everything out when we get to court? Then it would be real keystone cops. Have nice day.

No, no, no, no, no.

This is just absolutely wrong.

Number 1 is wrong because the factory doesn't "shed most of"--or even any of--"its liability." If the download host "creates a file" through a process that is intended by the manufacturer, and that results in an infringement, BOTH parties are liable.

Number 2 is wrong because it is not a "new creation." It's a copy, but again, if the mechanism or process established by the manufacturer is responsible for the infringement, BOTH parties are liable.

Number 3 is wrong because the venue is liable for ALL infringement that occurs on its premises if it has or should have knowledge of it, has the ability to control it, and derives financial benefit from it. It has nothing to do with the music versus the lyrics or anything else.

Most importantly, these rules apply whether the delivery mechanism is an electronic file, a compact disc, or any other medium. The medium is irrelevant unless the distribution rules (controlled by the copyright owner) make it relevant.

James since your manu SC is the only manu currently following the legal process to solve these infringement problems, which seem to be only problems, SC is involved with. Why would any karaoke host or venue take a chance using your product? There is tons of product out here where the manus don't care about shifting, so why use your product? I have run a show for years without your product. It would seem from what I'm reading on this forum, venues are dismissing hosts for carrying and using your product. I know host like me are boycotting your company's product. SC is not the only game in town, by your actions you are killing the SC brand, making it like the Republican brand unpopular. If your goal is to recoup money for the SC label, how do you reach your goal, by killing the brand? It is like Blazing Saddles where the black sheriff is holding a gun to his head and saying "Stop or I'll Kill The Sheriff". I cleaned that up a little. Have a nice day.

After saying this 8-10 times you start to realize that he simply isn't listening. Tomorrow he will again post that downloads are a "creation", lack "factory quality control" and the quality of the file will vary based on the downloaders equipment and expertise.

Rinse/Repeat. It never ends.

At 90% of the shows I attend--which is a lot of karaoke shows--more than 50% of the tracks played are SC tracks.

We aren't hurting the brand. There are virtually NO hosts like you boycotting the product.

That being said, we would be happy to kill off 70% of the use of the music if it meant getting paid for the other 30%.

As I have told you many times, SC is not a big factor around here. For example, my buddy has one SC disc. It's the Lynyrd Skynryd disc. It's scratched and he's never replaced it. None of our customers care. I have my 38 SC discs. People know I have them and it is EXTREMELY rare any of those songs gets played, unless I am singing one. It is the same at most of the shows around here. I know of one host who uses SC on a regular basis.

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Guy you are more radical than Mitt Romney at least he was only willing to give up 47%. The takers not the makers, I know. So you would kill off 70% of the industry just for your one little brand. Don't be surprised if 70% plus of the hosts tell you and your company to take a hike. The hosts won't even have to tell you, their venues will tell them to stop using your product, even if the hosts is inclined to defend you. That is 70% of your potential market, where will be your profits. You are like the Black Sheriff in Blazing Saddles holding the gun to your head, and saying "Im going to kill the Sheriff. You think the hosts are stupid enough to go along with that? I don't know what your smoking but it must be some goooood stuff. No wonder you get so many cases dismissed your are spending too much time going to karaoke shows. The most requested brand at my shows is DK, no one says a word about SC. If someone came in and started demanding SC that would be a red flag to me. I would just have to say never touch the stuff. Have a nice day.

We know you come from a small place where SC isn't used (supposedly but it doesn't matter if it is or not). There is a whole huge world with a lot more people out there. So trying to extrapolate what happens in your world as opposed to the rest of the world is not realistic.

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Whatever, Timbly Wimbly.

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I come from a big place and still DK is number one. Quite a few Zoom fans, then CB for country, which SC isn't as good. For do-wop oldies MM is the label. Different strokes for different folks. Have a nice day.

P.S. You are from Nova what, where is that somewhere up near the North Pole? Must be a real jumping place this time of year with the snow and all.

Yeah, but they have good lox up there. .

I am becoming quite the Zoom fan, myself. Some of their stuff is just as good, if not BETTER than SC. The newer SF songs are good, too.

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Unlike a politician, we don't need 50% (+1) market share to survive.



We're not getting that anyway. 95% of the demand for SC's product is being satisfied by people who steal it. 30% would be a big improvement over 5% as it is now. If 70% want to cut off their noses to spite their faces, that's not our problem.

There are three ways to deal with SC's product:

1) Use it as intended, on original discs.
2) Get permission for the media shift through the established process.
3) Don't use the product.

You can pick any one of those three and we will be perfectly happy.

But if you choose the fourth option--using unauthorized non-original media--then you can expect a lawsuit sooner or later. It's a simple matter. So when you and Smooth whine all day about how you're boycotting SC, you're not hurting us. While we'd love for you to use the product under option 1 or option 2, we are also happy for you to avail yourself of option 3. It's a good product, but it's not for everybody.

You, sir, are a hat!! Basically, your head is so far up the butt of your client, you have become a hat. The product is NOT that great, and the more recent stuff actually verged on sucking. There are mfrs out now who are getting WAY ahead of SC in quality and in content. Y'all have missed the boat. Here are YOUR options:

1. Cut the crap and get back to the business of making music.
2. Close your doors, sell the catalog, and go find something else to do.
3. Modernize your method of delivery and get with the rest of the karaoke world. If you have to pay more for licensing then do it, and make your old customers happy, and maybe make a whole ton of NEW customers.

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See, here's the thing...we're not seeking to use any of your property, so you're not in a position to dictate terms to us. The same can't be said of the people who are using SC's property. It really is that simple.

I might not have a choice if I wanted to use your product, the venue owner might tell not to use it. You have done such a good job scaring everyone. Just for the record I wouldn't use your product if you paid me. Have a nice night.

Actually, that isn't altogether true, now is it. In a way you WOULD like to use MY property for free advertising of YOUR product. Every time a SC logo is shown it is free advertising for your client. NOW, that being said, I CAN dictate my terms to you, if you or your client want me to spend money on your client's products, so you can get that free advertising.

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Maybe it is time to think of some kind of exist plan, it would seem you are losing the war very badly. In order to win a war you need to win the hearts and minds of the people you are trying to help. All your actions are doing is poisoning the well so badly for SC that no hosts or venues will want to carry or use your product. You are the only manu out here jumping up and down, you are not the 800 pound gorilla in the room, just a little chip trying to make as much trouble as you can. Have a nice day.