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Karaoke Channel tracks are not licensed for commercial use even if the ASCAP/BMI fees have been paid by the club, because commercial use is a violation of the principal license (i.e., the license from Stingray Digital to the purchaser of the tracks).

You know what? Who is going to stop people from using them?? The Sound Choice man has no interest in Stingray, so who is going to bother with it?? I'm so tired of this nonsense. There is too much double talk around here.

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Stingray will stop people from using them.

Exactly how?? Do they have little minions looking at shows, too??

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Ahh the Crickets are out again.

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i don't see how both could be true.

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Let's see if THIS gets answered.

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Because in the second quote we are talking about permission from the publishers. In the first quote, I am talking about permission from the manufacturer. You need both for commercial use.

When Stingray sells KC downloads, they are sold on a restricted basis--no commercial use. (If they were sold on an unrestricted basis, that would probably imply Stingray's permission.) If you use them for commercial purposes, it's a violation of your agreement with Stingray.

When we see KC tracks in use in the field, those uses are reported to Stingray for disposition. It is relatively rare because people who go to the trouble of buying their tracks usually want to do so in a legal manner.

So SC isn't just a litigation organization, they are an organization of RATS!! And you wonder why I don't like lawyers and their tactics. It hurts NOBODY to use those tracks in a show. They have been paid for. This whole thing is ridiculous. Enforce your own damn product and stay out of our businesses!!!

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Actually it deprives SC of a sale for someone to use those tracks in a show, because KC tracks are SC tracks.

No, they sold those tracks off. They should not have done that if they weren't going to allow people to use them in shows. The more I read about your client the less I like him. The more greedy he looks. That is just another dirty tactic. WE are talking about being able to order track by tack downloads as compared to ordering a whole disk. That is an unfair tactic, to make people order whole disks even if they only want a song or two off those disks. I am looking to be able to buy song for song just what I need, or what I am asked for. i don't want to buy whole disks of crap I will never use. Well, I guess there is another company that will not get my business. You don't even realize that YOUR practices are part of what is hurting your business. Very foolish. Other companies are modernizing, and those that do will take over the future, while your guy sticks his head in the sand and lives behind his lawyers and lawsuits, hoping to force people to buy his products through settlements. Not a very good way to do business.

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"Actually it deprives SC of a sale for someone to use those tracks in a show, because KC tracks are SC tracks."

actually, since SC deprived themselves of those sales when they sold the tracks to Stingray. SC tracks are KC tracks now, not the other way around. SC has to license the Stingray tracks to make the discs, i am purchasing from Karaoke Channel, same product, just different source.
imagine McDonalds getting mad at Coca-Cola, every time a gas station sells a coke, they deprive McDonalds of a sale........of a product they both get from the same source.
i just bought it from the gas station instead of McDonalds.

depriving SC of a sale by purchasing it from the company that actually owns it?

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I am glad I am not the only one who sees the hypocrisy of that whole thing.

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Your analogy doesn't work because McDonalds and the gas station are both unrestricted sellers.

It's not a legitimate purchase, because it violates the terms of sale. KC cannot and will not sell you that track as a single download for commercial purposes. The only company who can sell you that track for commercial purposes is SC. So, yes, it's a lost sale to SC, and if we see them in the field, they will be reported and dealt with.

I REALLY wish that company would go out of business!! I am so tired of SC and their BS rules and them dictating how things should be. It makes it even worse to find out that your minions are a bunch a rats. What other material are you ratting people about, now-a-days? If your "boss" would get off his (@$%&#!) and modernize his damned delivery system, instead of forcing people to buy whole disks, then maybe he would be doing more business.

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If you don't like them then don't buy them and stop bitching about it. I don't like the "food" from McDonald's but I don't go around putting them down vehemently and saying they're a rotten company. I just don't buy there. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean everyone doesn't. The world does not revolve around you.

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Nobody asked you. You just love to do your little drive by's and stick your nose where it doesn't belong.

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Seems like you have a chip on your shoulder.

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Gee, ya think?? Every time I find an avenue that could actually help me do what I want to do, and run MY show the way I want, Sound Choice comes along with another bogus policy. One company should not have that much power over an entire industry.

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So again, don't use them. And the way you originally wanted to conduct your business was to use "free" music. You've had your say and blast SC every chance you get in every thread possible. Your continuance of blasting SC shows signs of OCD.

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