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 Post subject: Re: Selectatrack
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:08 pm 
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Joe: If what you were saying were true then NO ONE would be legal including yourself because according to you, display of lyrics is not covered for the PR licenses.

The discs you buy don't cover the right to play them in public, it says so right on the disc.

Sorry I don't buy it.


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 Post subject: Re: Selectatrack
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:13 pm 
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jclaydon wrote:
Joe: If what you were saying were true then NO ONE would be legal including yourself because according to you, display of lyrics is not covered for the PR licenses.


Joe's argument is that if you are playing off a disc then the responsibility falls 100% on the manu, if you are using any other method then it falls 100% on you, ripped disc, download, etc.
that is not true.....but that is his stance.

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 Post subject: Re: Selectatrack
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:15 pm 
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Joe: If what you were saying were true then NO ONE would be legal including yourself because according to you, display of lyrics is not covered for the PR licenses.


Joe's argument is that if you are playing off a disc then the responsibility falls 100% on the manu, if you are using any other method then it falls 100% on you, ripped disc, download, etc.
that is not true.....but that is his stance.

Right! He doesn't get off just because he is disc run. The lyrics display doesn't care whether it's from a download or disc, if from what Joe says IS correct (though it's not) then he is no more legal as JC points out - a lyric display is a lyric display which would make him just as illegal as all of us computer users! :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Selectatrack
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:08 pm 
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Joe,
I have shown it. It's your turn to show it or stow it.

The responsible performing rights organizations (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC) have negotiated with the copyright owners to collect and distribute the royalties due them from public performance. They themselves state in their owm license agreements that karaoke is covered under their license. There is no exclusion in their license for the display of the lyrics that they are covering! Think about it. Try some logic. If the display of the same lyrics that you are being allowed to sing publicly was not covered it would specifically exclude coverage for that display to avoid confusion and liabilty.

Had you bothered to read the material I linked to before rejecting it you may have noticed that the display is in fact specifically included.
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Recorded Music (Line 2). ). This fee applies for the performance of music by mechanical or electronic devices, including, but not limited to, tapes, records, compact discs and other digital audio formats (e.g. MP3), videocassette, DVD and other digital audiovisual formats. This fee applies for performances by jukeboxes that do not meet the definition of "Coin-Operated Phonorecord Player" as defined below.
Enhancements to Recorded Music (Line 3). This fee applies for the use of added features to recorded music such as, but not limited to, karaoke, DJs, emcees, dancing, shows, acts or games.


I have given you the links to the information you requested. It is the direct word from those who are responsible. If you seek to reject that, please do so with credible sources and links to back it up.

How dare you demand proof from me and then reject it out-of-hand without offering proof of your own. Made up scenarios from your head do not constitute proof.
Please show me the line in the license from those who authorize the public performance of karaoke that excludes the lyric display....or stow it!

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