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Let's see, 250,000 tracks would require 13,889 CD+G discs on average (18 tracks per disc), requiring 35 professional CD cases (400 disc capacity), and to rip those discs would take 3,125 hours on average, NON-STOP! That's 130 days, 24 hours a day, NOT accounting for anything else, like swapping discs etc. I guess he did get tired of lugging 35 heavy CD cases to every show?????

Sorry, NOT BUYING IT!

How many DIFFERENT discs have you seen in one collection?

I said DIFFERENT discs. I'm sure people with multiple rigs (KJAthena) could have 15,000 plus discs. This person claims to have 250,000 songs from different discs. Why would you keep adding songs from the same disc to achieve 250k.....bragging rights...ya sure!

I'll show you mine if you show me yours. I'll take a picture with today's news paper next to it as well.

In America, you don't have to prove that you're innocent. Someone else has to prove that you are NOT! And like I said earlier, you will be asked to prove your innocence or it will be assumed that you are a pirate. Now the Forum members are calling on people to be audited by the Forum members. I guess that avoids the costs of filing law suits.

I thought the number was 25,000 songs. That would be heading on three times the number I have including dups. 250,000 songs, Bruce? Plus "demoing" a "full" version? That would be $25,000 if he got a steal at 10 cents a song. That is at least a $420,000 investment.

That's a good point. The guy with 14,000 had a lot of duplicates, probably "only" about 10,000 uniques.

The guy is using pirated software with legal songs?

Let he who is WITHOUT ANY SIN, cast the first stone. Never realized how many karaoke people were as pure as the driven snow.

I'm sure that none of the high and mighty have never done a gig and were paid in cash and didn't report the income. Or they claim all of the tips that they have ever received or claimed any free food or drinks that they get as part of their pay. Just about everyone crosses some line at some point in their life. The high and mighty here only seem to be concerned with people that crossed a particular line that THEY decided shouldn't be crossed.

THEY are like the people who defiantly drive 55 miles per hour in the fast lane and refuse to keep to the right because THEY believe that NO ONE should drive over the speed limit because THEY DON'T.

How is calling someone out for what has all the markings of being someone who bought a pirated disc anywhere close to the equivalent of a stoning?

We have over 27,547 songs on 2,070 discs (collected in the course of 21 years) so you can take that as a base (DK, SC, CB, and a host of others) so she would have to have about 20,000 discs.

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It's called a metaphor.

I think you have it bass akwards here. No one is calling you out for your obvious belief that buying a $250,000 disc with pirated software on it is A {wink} {wink} OK. Yet you are calling people out because they do feel it's wrong.

I rarely do 55 in a 55. I usually do 63-65 and cops pass me and wave. I don't think twice when someone passes me doing 80 but the cops sure won't be just waving at that guy if they catch him. No one here says they are Jesus level righteous. To me buying one of those discs is like doing 250 in a 55. And, yeah, I'm gonna yell and probably provide a single finger solute as he flies by me. And to me, you are the one being high and mighty telling me I shouldn't say or do anything. If you are OK with 250,000 song drives, fine. Others have a right to define their own level of OK.

someone driving 80 miles an hour could kill someone. Someone copying some songs will not kill anyone. Millions of people have things on their computers that they shouldn't. Is it wrong? YES! but that doesn't mean you're going to stop people from doing it. People only seem to care when it affects them directly. Karaoke hosts are a very small percentage of the population. The other99.9% percent of the population couldn't care less about karaoke piracy or any other kind of piracy for that matter. That is why you will find Bootleg DVDs all over the place and that is why people will always make copies of their music for their friends and family. They do it because they can. People drive 80mph because their cars allow them to. The genie has been out of the bottle for a long time and trying to get the genie back into the bottle is usually an impossible task. Many pirates have been reported to Sound Choice and many of those pirates were forced to purchase their Sound Choice music for far less than what the cheerleaders paid for theirs. The only thing that was accomplished was that Sound Choice made a bunch of money and the pirates have become legitimate cecrtified Sound Choice customers for ten cents on the dollar.

A couple of people have professed that they got a handful of extra gigs but for the most part, at least around where I live, the pirates are still doing as many shows as ever. A couple of them ahve stop using Soundd Choice tracks all together and they still are just as crowded as they ever were. They KJs that are still using their discs are still having the same problems with discs skipping and poor selections while the pirates songs play with hardly any errors at all and much better selections of songs to sing from. The singers don't care if the tracks are legal or not. All they care about is being able to sing their favorite songs.....just like most people don't care how fast I drive on the highway and just like they don't care about all of those people who talk on their cell phones while driving 80 miles per hour. They don't care until it personally affects them.

If the disc based karaoke host doesn't have the songs that I like to sing, I go to the karaoke show that does. It's really quite simple.

Bruce, have you heard of the word "subtle" (of course you have) but I'm not sure Judgeless knows the word. His approach, to us, for help has been a little too "open" for legit KJ's to handle. Had he not made such a big deal about how long it takes to search his extensive collection of zips files (that he admitted he did'nt rip) it would have been just another karaoke fan helping another. That's not quite what happened is it?

Stop coddling him and let him get his info from one of the other less professional karaoke sites.

That's not completely true. You have stated (in the past) that you bring some of your own discs with you (when you go out), for the purpose of asking the KJ to play them for you if they don't have the selection you're looking for. Now, if they refuse to play them, that's the point where you have stated you leave.

but more and more karaoke hosts are not capable of playing customer discs so when limited to the choices of bad selection versus better selection; I choose the KJ with the songs that I prefer to sing that he or she happens to have. I always prefer going to shows that primarily play discs because I know that I can usually sing my home made tracks. Some shows just don't or won't or can't play discs any longer and some KJs won't play a customer's disc unless it is an original. My home made tracks are obviously on CD-R discs and I've had a KJ recently tell me that he wouldn't play them because they could have a virus on them.

why is it ok to give some people a pass but not others?
and i have seen more people at home with larger drives on forums than any host i have personally come across. even the pirate kj's i have seen only have 100,000 songs at most. this also i think reiterates my thought that the home users are the biggest culprits of stealing music.

"They sold me all the CD’s and a copy of a hard drive that he ripped the songs to."
if you truly did buy all 20,000 discs from them then i will eat crow and apologize, but hosts that have been working for over 20 years have approximately 10% at most of your collection so it seems unlikely that you got anywhere near that many original discs to make this a legal thing. Even Harrington who is SC's attorney after being around the country checking out who knows how many hosts has not seen more than 14,000 songs without stealing them.

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I have 13,500 songs (non-dup'd - more with), buying steadily since 94. About 75 new songs on avg per month since 94. No where CLOSE to having 250K library (or even 25K).
I actually buy more now with custom discs since I can get exactly what I want without buying an entire disc for 1 or 2 songs.

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Total Songs: 69420
Unique Songs: 25455

27 cases of CD+G's (250 cap.)

27 x 250 = 6750 <---- Some with as few as 4 tracks per disc (I don't rip vocal tracks), and some with as many as 30 (like the GEM series).

That is the number of CD+G's I possess to support my available songs at my shows.

250,000 tracks would logically be an incredibly massive collection of discs. This collection would be a source of pride and income for any working KJ.

I, for one, have no problem producing evidence of my possession of original mfr's CD+G products.

Perhaps it may be understand why statements like those made by Judgeless are not likely to be taken at face value.

It is not paranoia or malevolence. It is knowledgeable skepticism.

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Yes Bruce someone driving 80mph speeding could hurt or kill someone but contrary to your belief that pirating is harmless, it has caused a lot of people a lot of jobs. Just because something may not physically harm someone doesn't mean it's harmless. There are musicians, sales, brick and mortar stores, admin people, and more people that are affected by this. The lawsuits recover a portion of what has been lost. Try to think before you denounce everyone who is trying to make a living. In Canada we had three major karaoke labels producing Canadian music. They lasted a few years. Why? Piracy. Who suffers? Those who made and sold the music and ultimately the consumer because no one is making Canadian karaoke anymore. We are the poorer for it.

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amazing when you ask someone "where did ya get the drive with all the songs?" then they don't ring in anymore cause they no they are not gonna get anymore help...

f'ing pirates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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