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Smoothedge69
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Sound Choice is the only company that WANTS to sue you. This isn't about SC! It's about publishers and using UK products in the USA - quit turning everything into a SC bash!!!!!!  You know what??? The guy was worried about getting in trouble if he used SAT music. I was telling him a FACT!! Get OFF MY A$$!!!!!!!!!
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Sound Choice is the only company that WANTS to sue you. This isn't about SC! It's about publishers and using UK products in the USA - quit turning everything into a SC bash!!!!!! You know what??? The guy was worried about getting in trouble if he used SAT music. I was telling him a FACT!! Get OFF MY A$$!!!!!!!!! If SC was relevant to the publishers, that would be fine, but it wasn't, just another way to bring your hatred towared SC to yet ANOTHER thread! So quit making that happen, & i'll gladly leave your (@$%&#!)! _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Smoothedge69
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Sound Choice is the only company that WANTS to sue you. This isn't about SC! It's about publishers and using UK products in the USA - quit turning everything into a SC bash!!!!!! You know what??? The guy was worried about getting in trouble if he used SAT music. I was telling him a FACT!! Get OFF MY A$$!!!!!!!!! If SC was relevant to the publishers, that would be fine, but it wasn't, just another way to bring your hatred towared SC to yet ANOTHER thread! So quit making that happen, & i'll gladly leave your <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span>! It WAS relevant to the conversation because he was worried about getting sued. SC IS the only entity actively suing people. Publishers are not on the hunt for karaoke hosts, except in YOUR area.
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Smoothedge69 wrote: It WAS relevant to the conversation because he was worried about getting sued. SC IS the only entity actively suing people. Publishers are not on the hunt for karaoke hosts, except in YOUR area. No it was not! Sorry Smoothedge, but this time, you are wrong. chris1960james wrote: Hi all
Discovered this site today - awsome!
I noticed the selectatrack site in this post and wondered if anyone knew how I stand in the states for purchasing tracks. chris1960james wrote: I live in the States and contacted selectatrack to find out if I could legally purchase and use tracks from their site...
...Does anyone have any information on this and how I stand if I do buy them...
chris1960james wrote: ...I have serveral downloads from them, and now find I can't use them! How do they get away with this?
I actually wonder if anyone is getting their money for the tracks.... not just the UK manufacturers, but if the MCPS knows about all of this.
Why couldn't they just make this clear on the site?..... they say......
All the tracks we supply are fully-endorsed by the manufacturer and are sold with their permission to use at home or commercially in any public venue worldwide (assuming that venue has the appropriate public performance license). Selectatrack is an approved licensee of the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society (MCPS) to which a royalty is paid for every track sold to cover song writer and publisher royalties. Both Selectatrack and the MCPS are based in the United Kingdom, anyone ordering from outside the UK does need to check with their local publishing organisations on local terms of use regarding public performance.
I have asked about use in the states, and they refer me to the above. Smoothedge, if you go to Select-a-Track's home page, they list the Manufacturer brands that they have available. Show me where it has Sound Choice listed in that. If you can't do that, then please be so kind as to explain the relevance of your post (since Chris1960james ONLY spoke of Select-A-Track).
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JoeChartreuse
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earthling12357 wrote: Why would you look to the performing rights society of another country for answers on the use of music in this country?
That's pure silliness.
The performing rights societies of the Untied States (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC) are the only ones that apply here. If the venue in which you perform has paid their dues to these organizations you can legally play those tracks.
It's as simple as that. That's for the MUSIC, not the lyrics display. Yeah, yeah, I know. So link me to the documentaion.
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cueball wrote:
Smoothedge, if you go to Select-a-Track's home page, they list the Manufacturer brands that they have available. Show me where it has Sound Choice listed in that.
If you can't do that, then please be so kind as to explain the relevance of your post (since Chris1960james ONLY spoke of Select-A-Track).
He was worried about getting in trouble if he used S-A-T music. All I was illustrating is that the ONLY entity in the Karaoke world that is interested in suing KJs is SC, meaning that he has nothing to worry about from the use of S-A-T songs. Nobody will come after him.
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Publishers CAN and HAVE gone after clubs & nailed kj's for illegal/unlicesned music provided the clubs aren't paying their fees. Not just around here but around the nation. This is what is relevant to the SAT question.
Bottom line - make sure the club is paying their fees before working there.
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The first karaoke host that asked a bar owner for proof of that kind, would be the first to be shown the door....just like no karaoke hosts asked every karaoke manufacturer for proof that their songs were licensed completely. There are many karaoke hosts out there that thought it was great deal when they could buy a karaoke disc for 5 dollars; especially the awesome Backstage Eagles disc that everyone crowed about before Legends and Zoom came out with some good Eagles tracks.
Let's face it. Karaoke hosts are expected to believe everything they are told by the manufacturers. If they say they have licensing; they must have it...until they're caught and are forced out of business or at the least; forced to change their brand name.
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Lonman
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BruceFan4Life wrote: The first karaoke host that asked a bar owner for proof of that kind, would be the first to be shown the door.... If a club is paying their fees, the door is exactly where the stickers should be placed. But if a kj explains the legalities that could arise, they would be more apt to answer the question. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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JoeChartreuse wrote: earthling12357 wrote: Why would you look to the performing rights society of another country for answers on the use of music in this country?
That's pure silliness.
The performing rights societies of the Untied States (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC) are the only ones that apply here. If the venue in which you perform has paid their dues to these organizations you can legally play those tracks.
It's as simple as that. That's for the MUSIC, not the lyrics display. Yeah, yeah, I know. So link me to the documentaion. Joe, I'm feeling a bit lazy today, so I'm just going to quote myself from a post I made back in March in another thread on the same topic. Some of the links may have changed but the sites remain the same. The point of it is that all three of our perfoming rights societies specifically state they cover karaoke (which by default would include the display of the lyrics). From: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=23331&p=324953&hilit=+sesac#p324953earthling12357 wrote: The thing that makes them fully licensed for use in the U.S. for public performance is the ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC licensing to the venue in which the songs are performed. ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC say exactly that and will allow you to search their databases for any particular work to verify the licensing. Here are the links to the documentation you have requested: ASCAP http://www.ascap.com/~/media/Files/Pdf/ ... es/BGT.pdf Quote: Enhancements to Recorded Music (Line 3). This fee applies for the use of added features to recorded music such as, but not limited to, karaoke, DJs, emcees, dancing, shows, acts or games. Notice it specifically includes karaoke as a covered activity. http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300Here you can type in an artist or song and find the works that are covered by ASCAP for you to play. Try searching for The Eagles and you will get a complete list of what they cover. BMI http://www.bmi.com/news/entry/234325Quote: Those organizations that represent songwriters around the world (there are three companies in the U.S.) provide license agreements to business owners where karaoke is presented. Only the businesses where music is played are licensed by BMI. There is no BMI license required for KJs. Such agreements come in the form of annual blanket licenses, granting permission for all songs represented by that organization to be performed. BMI offers licenses covering about half the music performed in the United States, a repertoire of approximately 4.5 million works from around the world http://www.bmi.com/search/Here you can type in an artist or song and find the works that are covered by BMI for you to play. SESAC http://www.sesac.com/Repertory/Repertor ... ?x=55&y=18Here you can type in an artist or song and find the works that are covered by SESAC for you to play. It is as simple as that. It's not about the manufacturer or the distributor. The manufacturer cannot license you or anyone for public performance. It doesn't matter where you buy your music, whether you purchased it on a CD or a download or a tape or hired an orchestra to play it for you or had everyone else hum the music while someone sang the words. For your public performance of an artist, writer, or publisher's work, if the venue in which you perform is covered by these organizations you are covered too. Again, a manufacturer cannot license you or anyone for public performance. That is why they all say "for personal use only", to protect themselves from giving away a right they don't have to give away. However any piece of music you own (cd, download, whatever) can be used in a public performance in a commercial setting if it is covered by ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC and the venue is current with their dues. If you are going to buy a song and are wondering if it will be covered for public performance, check the databases of those who cover it.
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You can cite those pages all day long, unfortunately Joe will not believe that the publishers actually do cover karaoke - right in their contract applications - and fees to go along with it. Our club pays them.
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And Bruce you can be rest assured if a venue doesn't have a sticker on the door or the certificate hanging in a prominent public place (usually with their liquor and food licences) then they haven't paid their required fees.
It's like when you enter a doctor's or attorney's and most professionals and you see their degree and other certificates on their wall. They aren't there as bragging rights, they are there (by law) so the clients can see that the person is qualified and certified to practice their profession.
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rickgood wrote: Not in North Carolina North Carolina requires attorneys to display their privilege license (basically a tax receipt) at the place of business. Since you have to be credentialed to get a privilege license, it amounts to the same thing as what timberlea said.
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Rick, sorry to disappoint you: § 18B‑904. Miscellaneous provisions concerning permits. (a) Who Receives Permit. – An ABC permit shall authorize the permitted activity only on the premises of the establishment named in the permit. An ABC permit shall be issued to the owner of the business conducted on the premises, or to the management company employed to independently manage and operate the business. The ABC Commission may determine if a management agreement delegates sufficient managerial control and independence to a manager or management company to require an ABC permit to be issued to the manager. (b) Posting Permit. – Each ABC permit that is held by an establishment shall be posted in a prominent place on the premises. http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegi ... B-904.html
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My bad guys - thought we were talking about pro music fee licenses being displayed. Yes on ABC and health ratings. Carry on.
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I believe it is a requirement of ASCAP etc that the venue has to display the licence.
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timberlea wrote: I believe it is a requirement of ASCAP etc that the venue has to display the licence. Used to be anyway. Don't know if it is anymore. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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earthling12357 wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: earthling12357 wrote: Why would you look to the performing rights society of another country for answers on the use of music in this country?
That's pure silliness.
The performing rights societies of the Untied States (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC) are the only ones that apply here. If the venue in which you perform has paid their dues to these organizations you can legally play those tracks.
It's as simple as that. That's for the MUSIC, not the lyrics display. Yeah, yeah, I know. So link me to the documentation. Joe, I'm feeling a bit lazy today, so I'm just going to quote myself from a post I made back in March in another thread on the same topic. Some of the links may have changed but the sites remain the same. The point of it is that all three of our perfoming rights societies specifically state they cover karaoke (which by default would include the display of the lyrics).] Lon's right, and here's why: (which by default would include the display of the lyrics). Completely and absolutely incorrect. Karaoke is simply defined as singing along to pre-recorded music- PERIOD. The display of lyrics on a screen is not only NOT an intrinsic part of the definition of karaoke, it COULDN'T have been. There WERE NO displayable lyrics for karaoke for the early shows. It was "sing if you know it" for several years, then lyric sheets for years after that. Therefore, the display of lyrics on a screen IS NOT included by "DEFAULT". Said display must be shown as SPECIFICALLY permitted by the publisher. NOTHING about using music for karaoke specifically inludes lyric display, which is why I said "link me to the documentation." Show it or stow it. Yes, I know that since download hosts pay for their music they feel a need to justify it as opposed to pirates that steal it, but unfortunately, simply paying for it doesn't mean the publishers have given licensing- and absolutely NO ONE has shown a single solitary link to ANY documentation that says that they have. Until that happens, any nonsense posted saying that it has been permitted by the publishers is just that. Disagree? Documentation from the publishers please. Again, they may never bother you, but after seeing SC do what they have done, I wouldn't bet my company on it.
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JoeChartreuse wrote: Said display must be shown as SPECIFICALLY permitted by the publisher. says Joe Chartreuse and...................nobody in the industry. JoeChartreuse wrote: Show it or stow it.
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