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Cueball
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:59 pm |
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Joined: Sat Oct 20, 2001 6:55 pm Posts: 4433 Location: New York City Been Liked: 757 times
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JoeChartreuse wrote: Since my post was ignored, I guess no one who doubts Chip wants to put forth the effort to check themselves- they would just rather debate. Seems kind of a waste, but whatever.... Ignored???????????????Who's ignoring whom here? How about you answer what I posted (of which Lonnie expressed something similar)? Chip wrote: Music Publishing C.E.O. wrote: Hi Chip,
Attached is the sole license between Slep Tone / Sound Choice and ********** Music, Inc. Based on this license, they definitely don’t have the right to produce “******** *** *****” with scrolling lyrics like most karaoke discs have. They only have the right to distribute the audio file of the song.
Best,
(publisher's name) Not only was the song above apparently NOT licensed fully for karaoke use, but the publisher claims it is "the sole license" when SC has in fact, distributed 7 additional songs from the same artist with no apparent or locatable licensing at all. Music Publishing C.E.O. wrote: The other 7 songs you mentioned were never properly licensed, at least, there are no licenses in the files that I see. AND... from a different (and much larger) publishing house, I received the following snippet in an email from their person in charge of licensing (I added the emphasis): LARGE publishing house wrote: As far as Karaoke Jockeys, that’s a subject for debate. When we license our content to companies like Sound Choice its for those companies to sell their products directly to consumer with the understanding that the consumer uses for personal and private use only (Translation: not to be used in public settings). The music publishing companies have not provided rights to karaoke manufacturers for sales to KJs who then operate a business by exploiting those recordings. JoeChartreuse wrote: I'll take his word for it, because he's backed up everything he posts.
However, this is why I don't post all the backup links that Chip does- because someone will always argue the point anyway. Lonman wrote: But that's exactly what i'm getting at saying song "*** **** ** ******" is NOT proving anything. Something posted that can be backed up would actually have a name of a song & publisher talked to - there is nothing to 'back up' what he states in the OP except a bunch of little asterisks. JoeChartreuse wrote: You skipped the rest of my post. Put forth the effort to contact the the publishers and ask questions yourself- no one is stopping you. Then you will KNOW. There would be no debate or doubt. cueball wrote: And which publisher should we call... The one that Chip mentioned in his letter that he just shared with us??? And which song should we ask about... the one that Chip also mentioned in that same post???... Oh wait.....
Joe, are you suggesting that we go through each of our song titles listed in our books by SC, and go from A to Z until we find the right Publisher? I don't know about the others here, but I know that I definitely don't have that kind of free time on my hands to do that... and please don't suggest researching the song titles from SC 8125... that's a moot point. I'd love to hear from you on how you think we should check this out for ourselves.
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Bazza
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:21 am |
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Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:00 am Posts: 3312 Images: 0 Been Liked: 610 times
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johnreynolds wrote: Bazza, WHY do you always try to rip on Chip? He IS a KJ like yourself and doesn't ask anything from anyone nor gets paid for anything. In FACT, he GIVES lots of things for FREE and is ON THE SIDE of us KJS, looking out for us. He has noticed and SHARED information on the manus that have broken laws while suing Kjs. What, if anything, have Y-O-U contributed, given for free, or done to protect KJS...??? Any Injustices by the manus SHOULD be exposed if they are suing their own customers. Any Injustices by pirating kjs SHOULD be exposed if they are hurting this industry. All i see is you ripping on a fellow colleague and professional that is trying to help KJ see some truth. Huh? Geez calm down Clint Eastwood. What on earth are you blathering about? Where exactly did I "rip" on your freakin' Messiah, unless you are talking about the part where I (and Lon, and Cueball above...and others) simply asked for proof of his claims. Silly thing that proof. Perhaps you believe everything you read on the internet. I do not. There is a saying I believe 100% in. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". Be they Aliens, Gods, Chupacabra or mystery CEO's. Of course Chip NEVER "rips" on anyone or anything now does he. I don't remember being censored multiple times then banned.
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Cueball
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:47 pm |
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Bazza wrote: ... unless you are talking about the part where I (and Lon, and Cueball above...and others) simply asked for proof of his claims...
Uhh, I never asked for proof of Chip's claims. My post was addressed at Joe C., who stated that we should JoeChartreuse wrote: "Put forth the effort to contact the the publishers and ask questions yourself." Since this whole topic thread was based around the OP, I simply stated that, based on that, how was one supposed contact the publisher when there was no publisher stated.
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Bazza
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:58 pm |
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My apologies. Please note for the record that Cueball did not ask for proof of the mystery song/company/person from Chip. He asked for a way to verify the existence of said song/company/person from Joe. Two very different things entirely.
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:01 pm |
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Joined: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:12 pm Posts: 5046 Been Liked: 334 times
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cueball wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: Lonman wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: I'll take his word for it, because he's backed up everything he posts.
However, this is why I don't post all the backup links that Chip does- because someone will always argue the point anyway. But that's exactly what i'm getting at saying song "*** **** ** ******" is NOT proving anything. Something posted that can be backed up would actually have a name of a song & publisher talked to - there is nothing to 'back up' what he states in the OP except a bunch of little asterisks. You skipped the rest of my post. Put forth the effort to contact the the publishers and ask questions yourself- no one is stopping you. Then you will KNOW. There would be no debate or doubt. And which publisher should we call... The one that Chip mentioned in his letter that he just shared with us??? ANd which song should we ask about... the one that Chip also mentioned in that same post???... Oh wait..... Joe, are you suggesting that we go through each of our song titles listed in our books by SC, and go from A to Z until we find the right Publisher? I don't know about the others here, but I know that I definitely don't have that kind of free time on my hands to do that... and please don't suggest researching the song titles from SC 8125... that's a moot point. No, I'm suggesting that one checks with the publishers of songs that may be in doubt due to previous procedings. FOR EXAMPLE ONLY: the 150+ songs that were listed on the permanent injuction against CB. Match some of those tracks to SC's, and check with the publishers in regard to those tracks. That's just a "for instance", but you get the idea. Another way is to check particular artists- The Doors, for instance, or other artists that may be unusually hard to find on name labels now. Again, just an example. All one has to do is verify a certain type of practice- not necessarily specifics. PLEASE NOTE: The names above are just examples picked at random. I make no claims of any type in regard to those named. The examples were given merely to clearly aid any who wish to do their own research. Of course, if one doesn't wish to take the time, that's fine. But if one is depending on others' research for information, posts here show that it leads to doubt and debate instead of certain knowledge.
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c. staley
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:03 pm |
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Bazza wrote: Silly thing that proof. Perhaps you believe everything you read on the internet. I do not.
Yes you do.... you believe HarringtonLaw don't you? Defense rests... Bazza wrote: Of course Chip NEVER "rips" on anyone or anything now does he. Now you're just fishing for brownie points you little rascal....
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timberlea
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:51 pm |
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Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2002 12:41 pm Posts: 4094 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada Been Liked: 309 times
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Chip, the difference is, and you know it, that you can say or twist anything with a slim chance of repercussions. Harrington, on the other hand, should he break and of the cardinal rules set down by the bar can be suspended and/or lose his licence to practice.
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c. staley
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:31 pm |
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timberlea wrote: Chip, the difference is, and you know it, that you can say or twist anything with a slim chance of repercussions. Harrington, on the other hand, should he break and of the cardinal rules set down by the bar can be suspended and/or lose his licence to practice. HarringtonLaw is free to say whatever he wants as well and has the exact same constraints that I have. (can't commit libel, etc...) The only difference is that he can't commit malpractice with his client(s). Please don't act like he's somehow restricted in his creative versions of "twisted tales" because he's not.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:55 pm |
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Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:24 pm Posts: 5107 Location: Phoenix Az Been Liked: 1279 times
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so only some are required to give proof, just those that are not Kurt Slep or Jim Harrington. they can say whatever they want and anyone questioning them is a wrong pirate.
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Bazza
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:47 am |
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c. staley wrote: Bazza wrote: Of course Chip NEVER "rips" on anyone or anything now does he. Now you're just fishing for brownie points you little rascal.... .
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jdmeister
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:36 pm |
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Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:12 pm Posts: 7708 Songs: 1 Location: Hollyweird, Ca. Been Liked: 1090 times
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:42 pm |
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Joined: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:12 pm Posts: 5046 Been Liked: 334 times
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Now THAT'S a keeper- and I did! Printed and on the bulletin board ( Yup, a bulletin board- and right above my Rolodex..... )
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