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Still not getting it. If a shifter proves "1:1" and they are dropped, they also prove that SC initiated a suit against them with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. Witch hunt. Word for the day is "Unethical"- and that's the nicest that I can think of....

I DO appreciate the fact that you italicized "think. more honest than many....

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You have not supplied a link, but it's sounding like SC caught someone distributing stolen tracks. If that's the case, then SC has not taken their Trademark Infringement case through the courts yet, which would mean that it HASN'T "been done" yet.

Certainly not in Las Vegas.......

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" Disc based and loving it..."

No court has shown that it's NECCESARY to comply with what's left of SC's policies. That being said, why should a compliant KJ DONATE billable time to a company for no proveable reason except to avoid harrassment?

Oh, don't get me wrong. In my neck of the woods there are plenty of businesses that pay people off to avoid harrassment- but that doesn't make it right or ethical....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Joe, I think what you are really looking for, is for the accused KJ to have a Counter-Suit against SC, AND for THAT CASE to successfully go through the full judicial process of being heard by a Judge, and a Ruling being made. Maybe the KJ will win the case, and maybe he/she won't. And, if the KJ does win, what is he/she going to win? What are the damages the he/she is now going to have to prove? Do you think this is going to be a $1,000,000.00 plus lawsuit?

Are there any KJs you know of who have the funds just laying around for all those Lawyer's fees this will cost?... Not to mention the time.... After all, it took SC (2?) (3?) years to get this far in the Courts.

Read about 2 posts before the quote you just used... KJathena just did not put HL's statement in a quote.... and, she took HL's quote from a response he had made to you (which happen to be 3 more posts before that).

A convenient statement, but patently false. I think it's interesting how you keep rewriting history.

http://dkusa.com/images/kslep.jpg

Yes, I'd like to go back to the original conditions. You know...where honest KJs weren't being sued for using a back-up copy (without any limitations on form, I might add). I think I'd like that very much.

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Birdofsong

It was stated that the back-up copy was a disc. So what is the difference between copying onto a disc or copying onto a computer? It's still a copy, making it a "counterfeit".

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Birdofsong,

you are missing a big point

The manufactures own the rights.....the discs say NO COPIES...at one time they may have said an archive was allowed.....things changed and they changed their mind....PERIOD.
Now if you wish to media shift you must abide by the rules.

BTW the quote you keep posting had to do with making archive copies ON DISC as the technology changed the rules changed.

or you can do as you have and leave your discs to rot in the garage...that is another valid option.

Athena

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Athena, horns in.

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the discs also say not for public performance, so now to be able to use them in a show you must pay a fee. that wasnt stated, but they can change their minds at any time.

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Here's one -

http://www.pdf-archive.com/2012/04/24/d ... t-4-20-12/

This is what Harrington posted on Page 3 of this very thread. You may have missed it.

Horns are in Smoothedge69...I just get frustrated when people repeat things over and over that have been debunked just because they dont like the facts

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What will everyone do in a few year if SC changes it's mind again and says
"NO REPRODUCTION PERIOD", thus meaning anyone playing SC from anything other than a disc is illegal?

Will everyone go back to playing discs, drop SC, or be fed up with it enough to quit altogether?

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Probably just drop SC altogether.

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I could go back to playing from disc no problem.

You know if SC was really just out money grubbing that would be the best way to push the issue...I dont think they will go to that extreme unless the current battle was lost....then who knows.

SC and PR are both onboard...and rumor has it more as well

Would you drop SC CB and whomever else joins?
go back to disc?
or Quit?

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I wouldn't because I am not certified. But if I were to get certified, meaning I could use their music on computer, then they came along and reversed it I would then drop them like a hot potato. That would be a total betrayal. Making people pay to get certified, go through the audits, then making you go back to disc? No way. That wouldn't fly. Not with me, at least. Vendors have a responsibility to be consistent and honest with their customers. If they turned around and made everyone they certified go back to disc, how would that look? Now, if they refunded your money for the audits, then ok, but if they were to keep the money and force KJs back to disc, I think they would be done.

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JoeChartreuse wrote
"as far as the SC suits go- no one is even ACCUSING anyone of stealing anything. They are just targeting media-shifters- you know,- their CUSTOMERS in many cases"

I disagree that they are "just targeting media-shifters". To media-shift, you would first have to have the original media to shift from. And if you have the original media, then it is most likely you would be 1:1. SC has made it very clear that if a KJ is verified 1:1 compliant, then they are OK with that.

So it is not the media-shifters SC is targeting, it is those using shifted media in their business without having the original media as 1:1

JoeChartreuse wrote
" If a shifter proves "1:1" and they are dropped, they also prove that SC initiated a suit against them with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. Witch hunt. Word for the day is "Unethical"- and that's the nicest that I can think of...."

Except for the EVIDENCE that SC has that a KJ is operating a business using copies of their product which display the SC trademark. It seems to me it is more "Unethical" for a person to perform a prohibited action (see label of SC original media) in total disregard to others rights in order to make it more convenient to run their business.