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Lone Wolf wrote:
The problem with just about anything that SC's has said in the past or will say in the future, can be and will be changed whenever they feel like it, to suit their needs.

Nothing they have said has become a law. So they can change the rules, kinda like when kids play games.


Yes. Just like Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Your Bank, Your Credit Cards, Any company can (and does) change the policy to fit the times. The iTunes store seems to change their policy with every version of iTunes.

Assuming that a policy put in place 15 years ago by a company should be ironclad forever is crazy.


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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
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Does it say that you don't have to be audited?


does it say you do? you are taking me to court with a document saying that i was doing what you are allowing me to do.
it doesn't say i have to stand on my head and sing i'm a little teapot either, so how can it be brought up? write whatever you want in the suit and change it as you go along in court?

"Slep-Tone authorizes its customers to “format shift” and transfer the contents of a genuine SOUND CHOICE
CD+G recording to a single computer or MP3 player, provided that the customer keeps
the original copy of the CD+G in his possession as an archival copy that is not used."

this is what it says, no more, no less. no stipulations other than keep the original archived. a judge is going to be so happy with "i know that's what i said to the court, but i didn't mean it, i want to add another stipulation or two in there your honor."


It also authorizes a shift to a CD or an external hard drive (under conditions), but those aren't listed, either, are they?

1:1 correspondence is a necessary condition, but it is not a sufficient condition.


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HarringtonLaw wrote:
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Does it say that you don't have to be audited?


does it say you do? you are taking me to court with a document saying that i was doing what you are allowing me to do.
it doesn't say i have to stand on my head and sing i'm a little teapot either, so how can it be brought up? write whatever you want in the suit and change it as you go along in court?

"Slep-Tone authorizes its customers to “format shift” and transfer the contents of a genuine SOUND CHOICE
CD+G recording to a single computer or MP3 player, provided that the customer keeps
the original copy of the CD+G in his possession as an archival copy that is not used."

this is what it says, no more, no less. no stipulations other than keep the original archived. a judge is going to be so happy with "i know that's what i said to the court, but i didn't mean it, i want to add another stipulation or two in there your honor."


It also authorizes a shift to a CD or an external hard drive (under conditions), but those aren't listed, either, are they?

1:1 correspondence is a necessary condition, but it is not a sufficient condition.


Again, I would think you would want to include that information in your lawsuit. Im sure some people are glad to have you on here as a source of information, but why is an attorney trolling on a message board? Seems like you might type something on here that could be detrimental to one of your cases.

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He isn't trolling :roll: He is trying to inform us of what is going on and correct many others that spout their beliefs as truth - even though it's only their opinions since most have no actual legal training or experience, just speculation & conjecture.

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He isn't trolling :roll: He is trying to inform us of what is going on and correct many others that spout their beliefs as truth - even though it's only their opinions since most have no actual legal training or experience, just speculation & conjecture.



I didnt mean that we was a troll in the message board sense of just showing up to be a pain in the (@$%&#!). I was using the term as in why is he hanging out on a flippin website. I would be appalled if my legal counsel was discussing cases on an internet webpage. But that is just my opinion minus any legal training or experience.

Again I dont really have a dog in this fight, because I am not running shows and have no interest anymore, but I hope Sound Choice bites the dust. I think it disgusting how they are handling this process.

I am still waiting on an answer on the legality of shifting the illegally produced and recorded songs from Sound Choice.

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punchymcgee wrote:
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He isn't trolling :roll: He is trying to inform us of what is going on and correct many others that spout their beliefs as truth - even though it's only their opinions since most have no actual legal training or experience, just speculation & conjecture.



I didnt mean that we was a troll in the message board sense of just showing up to be a pain in the <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span>. I was using the term as in why is he hanging out on a flippin website. I would be appalled if my legal counsel was discussing cases on an internet webpage. But that is just my opinion minus any legal training or experience.

Again I dont really have a dog in this fight, because I am not running shows and have no interest anymore, but I hope Sound Choice bites the dust. I think it disgusting how they are handling this process.

I am still waiting on an answer on the legality of shifting the illegally produced and recorded songs from Sound Choice.

I have to agree with you on SC biting the dust. it is time they either get with the times or get out, once and for all. GET THE HELL OFF OUR BACKS.

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Aye aye aye..... :roll:

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Bazza wrote:

Assuming that a policy put in place 15 years ago by a company should be ironclad forever is crazy.


Yup, and assuming that just because a tiny little piece of what once was a karaoke production company changes what they want has anything to do with any changes in the law.

There have been none, and there have been exactly ZERO cases tried before a judge that would prove otherwise. Until that happens, there is no one than can say that there is a case, ever was a case, ever will be a case.

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Bazza wrote:
Assuming that a policy put in place 15 years ago by a company should be ironclad forever is crazy.


Dang I sure hope Hyundai don't change their policy!!! I still have 9 years left on my Warranty!!!!!

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Assuming that a policy put in place 15 years ago by a company should be ironclad forever is crazy.


Dang I sure hope Hyundai don't change their policy!!! I still have 9 years left on my Warranty!!!!!

Ah, but that isn't 'forever' now is it? 9 years and the policy is up!

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I guess it's unfair that other auto makers have lesser warranties, I guess we should crap all over them, boycott them, and yell out loud how bad their companies are and hope they go out of business. Afterall, these other auto companies are costing you a lot of money.

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There have been none, and there have been exactly ZERO cases tried before a judge that would prove otherwise. Until that happens, there is no one than can say that there is a case, ever was a case, ever will be a case.


So, suppose I go try one of these cases, and it bears out exactly what I've been saying for three years.

What will be your next excuse, Joe?

And before you answer, I'll tell you that I attended the final pretrial conference in one of my cases today.

The reason why they call it the "final pretrial" is because it's the last conference with the judge before the trial.

There are four defendants, and it doesn't look any of them are going to settle.

Two of them are represented by an attorney, so no excuses there, either.

I'll tell you on Wednesday how it came out.


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HarringtonLaw wrote:
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There have been none, and there have been exactly ZERO cases tried before a judge that would prove otherwise. Until that happens, there is no one than can say that there is a case, ever was a case, ever will be a case.


So, suppose I go try one of these cases, and it bears out exactly what I've been saying for three years.

What will be your next excuse, Joe?

And before you answer, I'll tell you that I attended the final pretrial conference in one of my cases today.

The reason why they call it the "final pretrial" is because it's the last conference with the judge before the trial.

There are four defendants, and it doesn't look any of them are going to settle.

Two of them are represented by an attorney, so no excuses there, either.

I'll tell you on Wednesday how it came out.


Are they pirates or just shifters??

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Are they pirates or just shifters??


The most important of the defendants? They're pirates. They have no discs at all for a quarter of their drive contents, and only one disc for two systems for about 40% of the rest. Oh, and they have at least six duplicate drives, which they refer to as "backups."

One of the other two bought pirated custom discs.

The other one, we don't know because he deleted his SC tracks from his hard drives after being sued, even though we warned him not to do it So his penalty is that the court will presume that the deleted material would have been not in hi favor..


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One of the other two bought pirated custom discs.


When you say one bought pirated custom discs, do you mean that it was purchased from an illegal site (like one of those many torrent sites, or one of those file-sharing sites), or was this some kind of purchase made from one of the sites we're mostly familiar with (like SBI Karaoke, Tricerasoft, Karaoke-Version, etc...)?


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One of the other two bought pirated custom discs.


When you say one bought pirated custom discs, do you mean that it was purchased from an illegal site (like one of those many torrent sites, or one of those file-sharing sites), or was this some kind of purchase made from one of the sites we're mostly familiar with (like SBI Karaoke, Tricerasoft, Karaoke-Version, etc...)?


I mean that he bought custom discs from a company or person who did not have the right to make those discs. He hasn't told me yet where he got them, but I am pretty sure I already know.


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I mean that he bought custom discs from a company or person who did not have the right to make those discs. He hasn't told me yet where he got them, but I am pretty sure I already know.

Since SC is basically targeting the PC-based shows, how do your people (who are hired to go to shows and observe) recognize something like that? Or, was this KJ already named in a Lawsuit and agreed/paid to go through an Audit, and it was discovered that way?


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HarringtonLaw,

I really hope there is no gag order and the details of the case you mention can be posted.

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cueball wrote:
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One of the other two bought pirated custom discs.


When you say one bought pirated custom discs, do you mean that it was purchased from an illegal site (like one of those many torrent sites, or one of those file-sharing sites), or was this some kind of purchase made from one of the sites we're mostly familiar with (like SBI Karaoke, Tricerasoft, Karaoke-Version, etc...)?

Since they are talking about SC discs, the only 'authorized' custom site of SC content is Clarks. Those discs are pretty recognizable, but are considered 'original' discs as per the Clarks site. Any other custom would be a bootleg. The other sites you mention do not sell SC content.

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Since they are talking about SC discs, the only 'authorized' custom site of SC content is Clarks. Those discs are pretty recognizable, but are considered 'original' discs as per the Clarks site. Any other custom would be a bootleg. The other sites you mention do not sell SC content.

Thank you for that Lonnie. I realized that fact after HL answered my question about that, but that still leaves my other question about how they could tell unanswered. After all, SC SC is targeting the KJ who is playing from a HD. That being the case, there is no disc to see. So, when a SC track is played, how do they (the PI's) know that the disc was a custom made track, let alone that it was a pirated custom made track? I have custom made tracks which I purchased from SBI, and some of them are Sunfly tracks. When I play those SF tracks, the SBI logo does not come up, but the SF logo does. Did they figure out that this KJ was using pirated custom discs after-the-fact?... by naming the KJ in a Lawsuit, then had the KJ agree to an Audit, and then discovered the pirated discs.


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