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Offering to make him a copy is not entrapment.
Offering is not the same as giving.
By offering he was simply testing the charachter of the KJ.
If the KJ seems interested, the investigator will try harder to build a case.

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It wouldn't take too many visits from these people to piss me off, I'll tell you that. I don't like being watched. It gets under my skin real fast.

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Smoothedge69,

If it's a real investigator you will most likely never know they were there However I must admit that there are some individuals running around trying to "play" investigator for some reasons unknown to anyone except themselves.

Athena

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Around here, anyone asking for brand specific songs would give themselves away. As I have said before, we don't have spoiled singers around here. People just sing what they are given to sing.

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I don't understand the notion that people don't ask for a specific manu for each and every song they sing. Most if not all of my regulars know exactly what manu they sing from and will usually remind me even if I already have them cued up from their history (compuhost). Even some occasional or new singers will ask for DK or SC, etc.
Don't get me wrong, we all have folks who could care less which manu they sing from, but my regs are performers and they feel most comfortable in what they know.

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Around here people just don't care. It is not something that needs to be understood. It's just the way it is around here. There are no talent contests around here, nor do we have the typical Karaoke Diva section here. We have our compliment of good singer, and we have our not so good singers, but around here it's all just for fun. I will tell you, from my experience between NY and Fla, people in more affluent areas were more likely to be Karaoke Divas than in not so affluent areas.

On Long Island I used to go to different places for karaoke. One was called The Handlebar. It was in Mount Sinai, which was definitely a better area. There you had PLENTY of Divas, who were brand specific. Another place was Mugs Pub in Smithtown. They drew quite a crowd, with a mix of singers, but nobody cared what brand they were using. That area was a more middle class area.

In the southern portion of Sarasota, where I am, it's a middle to lower class area. People are just scraping by around here. The people around here are good people who just go out to have fun. They have nothing to prove. Most of the shows around here have been around for years, and there is no widespread use of SC and CB. The guy that I fill in for has 1 working SC disc. He does have some CB, but mostly Pioneer, SGB, SPC, MM, Legend Series, and he has been getting the newer stuff from All Star and Party Tyme. He doesn't buy SC because he can get much of the same music cheaper. It doesn't bother anyone.

I have filled in for him for 6 years, and in that time only ONCE has anyone ever asked for a specific CB song. We didn't have it so he offered for me to use his CD-R version. I refused. Then he produced an origin CB disc. It was quite fishy, as we don't get people like that around here. I found it funny. He saw that we had SGB's Lynyrd Skynyrd disc. He didn't want that version, but when he had me play his CB version of Gimme Three Steps, it was no different than the SGB version, and no better.

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Just because a singer prefers Brand X to Brand Y does not make them a diva, no more than someone who prefers Cola A to Cola B or Beer H to Beer I. A preference is just that, a preference.

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I can say that my husband is a diva when it comes to most things and that includes singing. BUT the thing he does not care about is which manu it is as long as it's close to the versionS he's done and or heard. He's a muscian and an entertainer and he will try whichever is there and then decide if it's a crappy version.
But then he loves it when the host can keep a history of his songs cause he loves to look at it and see what is not there and sing that. His lists in alot of places (if he's been more than a few times) grows to well into the hundreds.

I actually have to agree with Timberlea, but I do believe that the biggest reason that people get locked into a brand is fear of the unknown. Some people don't believe they are capable of singing anything other than what they are used to. Sometimes it takes just a little coaxing (you're very good -- this is also a great version and I know you can do it). When we dropped "Brand X," it took a few people a little coaxing to trying another version, but once they did, they got over the fear and realized that there are other good brands out there, as well. It has actually made them more adventuresome, because they realize they don't NEED one specific brand to sound good. They ARE good. The brand is often incidental.

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I disagree. If someone wants to sing a particular version of a song and they are a repeat customer then I find it for them. I don't think it's right to ask them to change the manu because you don't want to carry it or even worse have decided to eliminate it from your list. Sure, they could sing other versions of the same song but why? I don't think it makes them a diva either. They are used to singing this manu and there is a comfortability factor (like an old pair of shoes)that goes along with.

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I just do not think they would be so rediculously blatent about it.

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I only brought up my regulars for those giving me discs. I have had strangers in asking for songs from specific manus, but never offer me a copy of their disc when they produce it.

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Exactly, it's not a matter of spoiled people, it's a matter of teaching people the differences in the music & showing them which ones are better.


Same here. But I also get 'strangers' that ask specifically if I have certain brands - sometimes it's SC, sometimes it's not.

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Would make sense that the most popular (and pirated) brand would be the one people are used to singing, might not be anything other than that's the only one they have ever seen.

Or another way to "speculate" is that they HAVE seen the other brands and want the version they like (be it whatever brand) instead of hoping a version is to their liking.

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After purchasing the full SC Gem series (and the CB 12000+), I had investigators at one bar I worked in six times in eight weeks. They are watching to see if you start sneaking uncertified SC tracks into your show.
I have to admit I was getting a little tired of it, even though I have nothing to hide. And, if you are aware of your surroundings, they are easy to pick out. I picked out every one, easily.
Do the local investigators really think I am going to jeapordize all the money I have invested to see it washed away by using even one illegal song? In fairness, I have to say that Slep-Tone does not dictate when or how many times one person is investigated. The investigation service does that on their own.

If you're picking them out easily, then the chances of them being legitimate investigators are slim.

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Or they are getting sloppy.

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It's the same problem here in the UK but with Sunfly, they were the 1st big manufacturer here so that is what people are used to, put on a better version of a track, Zoom for instance, and it's total panic.

I don't get it! If it's a recreation of the original song the singer should be able to sing it no matter what version.

That would depend on the version. Some, like CAVS, are TERRIBLE. You have to really know the song to get it right.

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