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That's the thing, with these DK Millenium SCDGs nobody is getting hurt. DK is no longer in business in this country. That means they are not entitled to royalties from any products sold here. They gave up their rights. Selling Sound Choice on SCDG IS piracy because they are still in business, in one form or another, and they forbid that form of media being used to distribute their material. DK isn't here to object to it. That is their fault. They decided to turn tail and leave America and let go of all interest in karaoke here. Because they did leave, some company who decided to start selling their abandoned product is not really at fault. The people using this product should not be made to feel like they are doing something wrong. There are a few here who are dead set against this set of SCDGs and dead set against anyone using them. You know what, DK did it to themselves by abandoning their business here. Why would anyone in their right mind pay $1,500 for a set of used discs, when they could get the same collection for $130, especially since the original company isn't making anything off ANY sales of DK music, and doesn't seem to care to.

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There in lies the problem. Nobody cares enough to stop purchasing them. Illegal or not - who cares? I'll contiue to use them because they aren't being enforced. Amazing

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The publishers and artists of the royalties don't count! They all are just as greedy and don't deserve to get their fair share either - which none of that comes from the sales of these discs!
Amazing

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The publishers and artists aren't getting paid when people resell those discs, either. Your point is moot.

And you are right, I DON'T care. Why should I care when the ORIGINAL MFR doesn't care?? Give me a break.

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A resell is quite different than a copy and sell - sorry you cannot see that. A resell still is only dealing with the original disc. No extra copies are made, the artist made their money on the original sale - there are no extra copies.
With illegal copies, the publisher/artists make nothing on continuing sales of new illegal product. It is not simply being transferred to a new owner, it is being copied and distributed where some low life is making money while no one else is.
Amazing!

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It also takes away from sales from companies that do license when they are undercut by those who don't. A retailer may also lose profits if the perception is that they are "overpriced."

> Nobody is selling DK, because they do not exist here, anymore. Do you understand that? I am not talking about any other brand but DK, here. No retailer is losing money on sales of DK SCDGs. As for the artists, I am sure that there are not enough of those DK SCDGs being sold to hurt anyone.

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believe what you want, you already stated, you don't care. Kinda sad really.
Amazing!

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Who are you to judge me?? You are not some paragon of moral excellence. I am trying to create a business here. I must do that as economically as I can. Nobody is suing people for using DK SCDGs, so I can use them without fear. If anyone wants to question me, I have the discs to back myself up. I have a disc for EVERY song I own, accept for my Tricerasoft downloads, which I have the receipts for. I am 100% legal, and plan to stay that way. You may not like the source of some of my music, but it is still legal, and it is still usable.

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There are those who believe the DK set in question is illegal and there are those who believe they are legal. The bottom line is, no one can say with 100% certainty that they are illegal. You can speculate all you want but speculation won't hold up in a court of law.

So, until we hear it from the horses mouth (DK), your opinions or your speculation mean nothing. At this point, like I said above, no one can say or has said with 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt certainty, that they are illegal. I personally have better things to do then to play guessing games.

P.S. Can anyone confirm with 100% certainty that they are illegal?? I didn't think so. Put it to rest.

Enjoy your DK Millennium Set. If you can still find them on line, it's a hell of a deal. Jump on it!

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Good post. Very well said.

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Checking for a registered trademark can be helpful in determining the legitimacy of a brand if the trademark is a registered mark, but it doesn't automatically mean a brand is not legit if the trademark is not registered. Trademarks are not required to be registered to be valid and many companies don't bother registering until they start thinking about enforcement of their trademark rights.
Even Soundchoice and Chartbuster did not federally register thier trademarks until sometime around 2009.

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Just so they could start suing everyone they could get their hands on.

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Well, of course.
And they have good reasons for doing so, but that's not relevant to this thread.

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Nope just the thieves. The ones that have discs do not get sued!

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If you say so.

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Hopefully no one took my posting as I did not care. I actually was stating that whether a person is right or wrong, I hold no ill will against them on a human value level and undertstand that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

With regard to dk scdg / scdg discs. I am not against scdg technology, In fact,we embrace it. Yet refuse no matter the cost to participate in anything that will further kill this market. Because our research recently tells us that it is not a legit disc. Then if a consumer sees a licensed cavs volume 2,3,and4 for $149 and only 600 songs from the manufacturer and then sees a dk scdg that has NO ONE willing to claim they are the maker of those discs with far more music and even new music for far less per song than the actual cavs discs, then it hurts those that play by the rules. I do not fault sellers in the past for selling many of the scdg's because this is the weirdest and most confusing market I have ever seen. Thats why we finally made the tough decision not to purchase any scdg or newer cdg discs that we cannot personally verify thier is a manufacturer you can reference, a current registered trademark.

Example; We knew about the Sweet Georgia Brown Magic Tracks scdg disc and when it was discontinued, it was expected that there would most likely be a few thousand left. We see that the stock has dried up. But low and behold a NEW sweet georgia brown scdg with newer music too is out. Yet when we looked at the trademark, it was no longer active. So in a round about way, it's like a dead person still releasing music. Trust me when I tell you. The shame of it is that 95% of the consumers would rather buy the over 1,000 magic tracks for less money than the 200 VERIFIABLE cavs songs. Hope that made sense.

EX MILITARY AND PROUD OF IT

" Cannot hate those who do not believe that piracy hurts. Can only continue to educate and hopefully
appeal to a higher sense of care in the future. When a consumer calls up a seller and wants a karaoke player and some music and is offered a great player and a couple hundred songs for under $260.
and behind the scenes the seller who invested money into legit cd's tries to make a very modest profit margin due to tight competition. Then to watch that same consumer walk away because the other seller gives them the same player, 5 times the music, for LESS money! Whether something is abandoned or not, there are still many hard working sellers and kj's that are effected by this"

SC filed its first application, for SOUND CHOICE (typed drawing, meaning without regard to any particular font or design), on August 17, 1994. That registration (No. 1,923,448) was issued on October 3, 1995.

It followed with an application for the now-familiar SOUND CHOICE logo on January 30, 1995. That registration (No. 2,000,725) was issued on September 17, 1996.

The next year, a similar registration was issued for the same mark for printed catalogs.

So, did everyone see what just happened there? Bobby took an objectively false statement about SC and used it to make an assertion of fact about SC's motives that is completely unwarranted and itself objectively false. Because Bobby (and the people who agree with him) want to believe bad things about SC, it seems true that SC would want to "sue everybody they can get their hands on," so it becomes OK to make that false statement.

Of course the would rather get the better deal, especially in this day and age. People are hurting now. Almost a quarter of the population is out of work. Many are trying to start businesses, and they have to do it as cheap as possible. I am one of those. So, to pay $149 for 200 songs, or pay $69 for 1000 songs, it's a no brainer. I wouldn't buy the CAVS discs, though. most of the music on them is terrible. I can't worry about all this nonsense. I am trying to get up and running, and if I have to start off cheap, I have to start off cheap. I know, little by little i will replace my cheaper music with better stuff, but for now, I have to go the cheap route. Still I have a disc or receipt to back up everything I have.

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That is exactly what you ARE doing. Don't try to sugar coat it. You have named Sound Choice customers. Regardless of if you let them go afterward, you still have named people who were paying customers, and now you charge THEM $500 to prove they are legit. THAT is a despicable way to make money.

I know, I know, different topic. I was just answering what was said.

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