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I actually MADE the time this weekend to listen to several subs... and when I do I take the time to comment on them all... I do try to be constructive.. using a industry system that I have adapted from an industry songwriting handbook that has a chapter on critiquing methods...

I believe Matt even made a comment about the critique I gave him...

Well let me get down to "Brass Tacks" here...

I noticed lately I have been watching the numbers of people who listen to my subs -vs- the number of times I listen to them and the times people actually write a critique... here is my thought.. All you out there can complain about the ratings system and how fair and unfair ... how good or bad a singer is.... well how about this issue.. how about leaving some comments about the fact you listened.. pro/con... what did you like or dislike about a sub.. I'm in the industry.. I'm sure I have seen worse critiques or reviews of my music or heard worse than yours.


And if I had not heard worse than yours.. Believe Me I'll let you know..

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here's a flaw in that scenario my friend:

If seventeen people listen to your one song... if you try to reverse apply it evenly, that means for over an hour you'll be doing the same thing back.

Many times, some songs don't hold a great deal of appeal to me... but if I feel up to it, yes, I try to return the favor as much as possible. And I DO comment where it's appropriate.

for those that have earned my trust with their honesty, reveiwing like you have suggested, I try to reciprocate. I only go with what I know... I don't have a chapter out of a book like you do. I'm not in the "business", but I can give a good evaluation of what I liked VS what I didn't like...

But there's only so much time of the day that I can devote to this place. I love it. I really do! But to sit and listen thru forty songs at one sitting...

wow! Dunno about that! !

Brian, you're in the business and know everything Why should I comment? You'll just bust my n**s in anycase, either by giving me a totally unrelated reply, or giving me some excuse! You're so full of crap, I don't even know why I am answering this, probably because it is Monday ............ Or no, probably because I was reading through some threads this weekend, and you just couldn't help making sarcastic comments about AllStar this or AllStar that!

There must be a statue of you somewhere. You are just so righteous, aren’t you?

Jeez, with the amount of threads you reply to, it amazes me you still have time. I've had the decency to reply to your subs, I'm still waiting for some common courtesy! But then, according to one of your previous threads, you barely have time in your busy schedule anyway.

I think you're just p****d because people don't put comments on your subs! Come-on Brian, you know the reason You have subbed so many songs, and never commented on others; now suddenly you want everybody to comment on your subs?!? Get Real, you're in the business, arn't you! You should know what it's like!

Brian (aka BeachHeadBum) -

I understand what you are saying but let's figure the time envolved.
(similar to what Matt {aka knightshow} stated)

Let's say that you submit two songs per day.
These receive ten comments each for a total of 20 comments.
Now you reply to each of those comments at an average of 2 minutes each (reading and replying) -
That's 40 minutes.

Now lets say that the people that commented on your songs were 20 different people (no duplicates)
That means that you should listen and comment on those 20 peoples latest submissions.
For arguments sake - they also submitted 2 songs each.
That is 40 submissions.
Now you take the time to comment and listen to each submission at an average of 3 minutes each.
That equals 120 minutes.

The total time that you have obligated yourself to this task is 160 minutes or 2 hours 40 minutes! If you or anyone has that amount of time to set aside to do this - that is AWESOME! but I feel that this is highly impractical.

Yes, I agree that one should take the time to reply to the comments they receive and yes even listen & comment on those that have done that for them. However, it is only a courtesy - NOT mandatory. Also, when you can fit it in to your schedule.

This is supposed to be for fun - NOT a job. It has previously been suggested that, prior to someone submitting a song they must first comment on a certain amount of others submissions. I feel that if I was to in any way make this an obligation people would just stop visiting. Where is the fun in "having to" comment on others.

I hope this helps...

I appreciate everyone who contributes to the enjoyment of this site and I hope everyone here continues to enjoy themselves. Regardless of the amount of time you may be able to set aside.

P H I L L

another thing to think of... and it kinda came to me rereading all these threads where people (and I'm one of them) that complain about the showcase threads or this singer's forum:

There've been many times I've read the comments... by the time I've gotten thru them, I see that what I would have said has already been mentioned a few other times by other subbers. In my OWN mind, I rationalized "Why should I say the same things that XXXXxxxxx said?"

So in many of those instances, I just don't say anything. Now, lately, I'm tryin' to give my opinion if I feel it will help!

and Allstar...

jeez man, take a chill pill. Your use of wonderous colors and biting sarcasm is only going to start a flame war (given the current context)... in reading your comments to Brian, I can PERFECTLY understand if he were to come back atcha negatively. To put it another way, iIf BHB IS or IS NOT what he says he is, who gives a flyin' fart?

I personally have found BHB to have a LOT of good insight on things. And there have been times when yes, I've a bit too. I don't think he intends to sound so righteous. But you know, when I've helped people with techie stuff or self-defense, I am speaking from experience... and it's hard not to get a bit of ego in the way. Lonman is about as good as it gets for good sound, but even he'll get stiff necked IF CHALLENGED if he's really all that. Same thing with Tigrr27 when it comes to good karaoke or DJ mindset philosophy or martial arts in general... if you challenge him, he might get a bit miffed.

Heck, most anybody WOULD. As with all things, if somebody is gettin' under your skin, breathe deep, and just let it go!

Phil's got better things to do than be a mommy to any of us! And I for one hate sittin' in a corner!

Not everyone that listens will have something to say. As Knightshow said, Why should I repeat what's been said a dozen time already?

Not everyone that listens can reply. I told my parents about my posting to the site and they listened to my subs. They keep coming back and listening to others submissions in addition to my own. They don't comment, they just want to listen. Should you get upset that everyone that listens doesn't comment? No, my parents have actually commented on some of the really great submissions they've heard but again, they have no intentions of registering, commenting, or submitting. I'm sure there are others that listen and don't comment in a similar position.

When people commented on my subs I made a concerted effort to try and listen in return. Did I always? No. But when I had a chance they were the first on my list of people to listen to and possibly comment.

Personally I think we should have a Celebrity Deathmatch between allstar and BHB to get this over with once and for all.

BTW, I was sick and also moving so I didn't sub, comment, or reply for nearly a month, perhaps a little more. I'll be putting aside some time to record and start being a more active member of the SS once I get my DSL in later this week at home.

a book for critique....hmmmm olol do you not think its much nicer and more personal to the person if you try and choose your words to describe what you enjoyed/didn't enjoy about a performance, but if the book works for you then fair play...and i hope you will give me a listen beach when i record its my party and i'll cry if i want to after you gave me the wonderful idea in my posting especially as i will make the effort to dedicate it to you sweetie hehehehe....beach it comes down to peoples time and generes of music they enjoy as to who comments, i have found that i have my regular listeners and commenters and yes above anyone else i will always do my best to try and make time to return the compliment, but as ive said before if everyone commented on my subs as i comment on others i will look like a proper pro and i am far from that ...i do not expect people to comment...i see it as a compliment when people do comment...and i do not give to recieve...i am happy with my lot.

Hi there:
This thread is about commenting and using common courtesy as much as our personal life allows it. There's something that bothers me a little bit and that is, some or should I put that in singular? are using this site to promote themselves or himself by other means aside from their singing renditions. Hey, LET YOUR SINGING DO THE TALKING :!: You are deviating from the purpose of this site and we are only interested in YOUR SINGING and your honest opinion about other members' singing.
Don't need to mention name/s because you should know who you are and the important thing is that you stop it and use this site for what it is meant to be used for. This have been going on way too long and it disrupts the cordial friendly atmosphere that the great majority of us would like to see prevail here.
I'm not trying to start another quarrel because this is a situation that started many months ago. So, if you think this is about you, don't even bother to reply, just have a change of atittude and let the show move on. Or else, i'm afraid you're going to end up being ignored by even more members.

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I dream of songs of love, peace and harmony.

Geez, Tonmay! Okay so I guess I'll knock it off. Last thing I want to do is upset or be ignored by any members. J/K

You do make a very valid point and if you don't mind, I would like to expand upon that.

Each of the sections of this site are about FUN and enjoyment. We at Karaoke Scene provide the opportunity for everyone to be involved & exchange Karaoke information whether you are a novice or experienced, KJ or a singer, amateur or professional, young or old.

It is not about the individual, but the individuals! It is about each and everyone of you as a group. It is about the camaraderie that evolves.

I know how you people just "love" those definitions

I again want to state that if you have the time to spend here visiting, regardless of the amount, you are welcomed and we look forward to your contributions.

I can only hope that the fun doesn't get diluted for the whole because of a few. I may not know any of you in a face-to-face relationship, but over the past few years, I believe that I have developed some wonderful online friendships that would extend beyond the computer (inter-web)!!!

Thanks, (now will someone help me down from this soapbox)
P H I L L

no worries Phill. and I definately agree... I think that this site has the largest collection of decent people out on the web.

a tribute to karaoke, if you want to know my opinion.

One of the main reasons I love karaoke bars is you get SOoooo little of the bickering and griping that you normally associate with "seedy" bars. Karaoke has also spread well to churches and community centers as well. Families get into it together and home units sales went thru the roof the past couple of years. Even the manufacturers of karaoke music have gotten into it, and are pushing more and more of their material geared towards home use!

The point is, trolls and other flamers don't last here long, due to all of us that frankly won't put up with it. I loved the sticky you posted on the main forum about those that advertise to some of us. Well done! Not just to you and the rest of the Karaoke scene staff, but the rest of us good folks on here!

Matt (reignin' in a Tigrr)

I agree some what with beachheadbum although I know not everyone can make comments after they listen especially if they cant type fast =) If you say that someone has already commented on what you have said if it is available to rank don't comment just put a rank in. Only one of my songs have a rank average and they have been viewed a lot of times. I can tell overall how well a song was by my ranking if I get a 7 0r 8 on a song I will probably either work harder on it or no that I should not sing that song. Ranking is not so supposed be a competition but it should be just for letting the artist know how well that song was. I do this for fun and I also take it seriously. My dream is to make it in this business and I know I’m not the only one here so lets help it each other out as much as we can so we can all become better performers!!

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Believe in yourself or no one else will!

hmmm. 266 times my Audition sub has been viewed- MG I DO NOT WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE COMMENTS !!! My typing fingers will fall off!!

I think knowing that people are LISTENING is what is great to me- if you dont comment I wont die.

Taking time to LISTEN is all I usually have, and when I have more I try to comment- but I have to admit, I tend to comment on those I know, those that have been shown to me, or those that have commented on mine to check them out. I think its a tad unfair to insist that people stop what they are doing after what takes some members FOREVER to just download the song and take time to comment on a sub when they have nothing to say! I agree that it seems to be that its SCARY to give out comments that aren't a tad fluffy- if you are "IN the business", I have to agree that the comments you get there are bound to be 1000x's more useful to you than all of us who have the norm of "Nice Job!" when we do comment. Comments on here, unfortunately for those of us that UTILIZE constructive critiques ( I HUNGER for them- they help me so much), are mostly fluff for your buddies, here is some cotton candy cause its a birthday every day kinda thing. And I understand completely why the comments are so fluffy because I have seen those that cannot handle any kind of criticism and only want to hear that they are "THE BEST" respond to those critiques by attacking them quite vehemently.

Its the same reason that ratings have been a problem on sites like this. People dont REALLY want to hear the truth. They want to hear what they WANT TO HEAR. PERIOD.

SO Beachhead- what is it you WANT to hear? I guess we all feel its difficult to stop and comment every time- arent you glad that we are listening??

Hugs to all of you- Lets all breathe and count to 100!

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""Comments on here, unfortunately for those of us that UTILIZE constructive critiques ( I HUNGER for them- they help me so much), are mostly fluff for your buddies, here is some cotton candy cause its a birthday every day kinda thing""

Luckily this is not American Idol where you get slaughtered publicly so millions can laugh at your tears and suffering, now who would pay a monthly fee for that? I agree with Webguru, this is about friendship and encourangment..if you want someone to tell you what is wrong with you or your singing, then we go to a record company or AI. I am not sure that ALOT of critique is good for the creative process at all, it will probably more likely make you sing worse, strained and nervously and some people actually give up singing alltogether because of negative comments instead of improving..everyone will improve as long as they get encouraged, that is a natural ability we humans have.

I was thinking..especially with those that know I listen to them a lot..or if I have commented recently on another one of their subs..if maybe just saying..Listened ...or was here:)...just short to let them know I was here and listened...just so they know..I would hope the smiley face would let them know it was a good listen Don't know...just a thought..it's a tough one...I know we all want to listen to/comment on/and reply to everyone..just wish we could...and we all enjoy the positive comments.

and just for the record all..It is VERY RARELY that I ever listen and don't like...I "likes to listen" to all of you

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Just a gal enjoying her grand kids, listening to music, trying to enjoy each day as it comes along

Great hat, likestolisten!!

It seems as if there are two groups of people, people who want honest comments and people who don't. I sort of go back and forth on it myself. I think the fluffy comments are great for my ego and I really don't want to be hurting other people's feelings. What can we really say besides "you suck" or "you're flat" or "learn the song better", anyway?? I wouldn't mind some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism on some of mine, though...if such a thing truly exists.

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~Suzanne Lanoue~

I agree witn Slanoue about 2 different groups. The thing i like best...is we have a choice WHICH one we want to be in. I KNOW i will never be a great singer and i have no problem with that. Fluffy works for me....and i have no problems stating that. Some of us are just in it for fun, while others are more serious about it. I have respect for both groups. And i ALWAYS comment on what i listen to. Why? Becasue i WANT to. I don't and never have felt forced. To me, if someone took the time to make it and put it up...and i have the time to listen and enjoy their hard work....then i am going to comment.....and say thanx for making my day so enjoyable. to each his own.....this is just MY opinion.....and i respect all others. [/list]

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finally the truth is coming out... comments are a bunch of fluff which is exactly the opposite the majority jumped me about when I first stated it in my early posts... honesty is not the best policy here but fluff for ego and political correctness is I guess truth is in the ear of the beholder eh... I have totally stopped listening to subs altogether (except for a giggling session with knightshow last night) because the discrepancy between what the comments say and what I am actually hearing through my speakers sets me up for disappointment most of the time... maybe I need to change speakers AGAIN... I have listend to claimed "professionals" on subs and if they are professionals I am starting my world tour next week... you may now go back to your regularly scheduled programming of fluff and smoke blowing...- tig

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Hi Melly, You know the true meaning of this site along with most other people here. Karaoke means fun NOT making fun of.

Melly, I think Tigrr27 was commenting more on what I said, not what you said.

Tigrr27, I'm sorry you feel that way about the subs. You must be very picky. To me most people on here sound great and much better than the singers I hear in live karaoke.

I want to clarify one thing. I am honest in my comments to the extent that, I don't say it's great if I don't think it's great. I just leave out any negative comments. LIke, maybe the singing is really good for the most part but there's one or two sour notes, I don't bother mentioning the sour notes. Or maybe the person did their best and hit all the right notes, and put a lot of feeling into it, but their basic voice has a lot of problems (is hoarse, very limited, or kind of whiny), I give the person a high rating and tell them if I liked it, but I don't tell them that their voice is irritating. If I really don't like the singing or there are a lot of mistakes, I stop listening and don't comment at all, UNLESS the person specifically says they want honest comments.

I hope that makes sense...

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~Suzanne Lanoue~