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No I meant what I said, their trademarked logo that they fixed to a piece of equipment you purchased.

Of course I'm talking hypothetically here, but as a rights owner to their Trademark could they not say you can't their product in anyway that displays their logo to the public in a commercial setting without written permission, proof of purchase? Oh and in order for them to provide this program it will cost them money, so that'll be $150 please to off set the cost of keeping tabs on who has and who hasn't complied with their new policy?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Chris I understand time is not free. I also understand that the banner, t-shirt and other marketing materials aren't free either nor do I think SC is just willing to give that stuff away. It's not cost effective to give away merchandise.

I've not ever asked to be paid for my time for an audit. I did however volunteer to take photos of everyone of my disks with whatever identifier SC would want affixed to it and compile a list of the tracks on those disks and provide them to SC. How much time would cost SC?

BTW isn't that basically the procedure for certified KJ's that increase their SC library size above the 2% tolerance that SC is aware of so that they can maintain their certification?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

First, it's not a one time occurrence. Second, it's not the KJ who is benefiting from an audit but instead are being charged for doing something they should be allowed to do in the first place. I don't care how you spin it SC is trying to use ALL KJs for their own benefit at the KJs expense.

No, they couldn't, unless that was a term contractually imposed on you at the time of purchase. Absent that, you can always display the authentic thing that you purchased.

The problem is that a media-shifting KJ isn't displaying the authentic thing he purchased. He's displaying a copy that he made (or had made by someone else). And the copy has the trademark attached to it. That's a problem.

As I have said repeatedly, we have absolutely no problem with someone who plays from original discs.



It's not a "new" policy in any substantial sense.

The "old" policy was that media-shifting was forbidden.

The "new" policy is that media-shifting will be permitted/tolerated if you adhere to certain conditions. One of those conditions is an audit, and the audit costs money because it requires time.

Yeah, but you and I KNOW that situation would NEVER happen on any original piece so the point is moot! The SC scenerio is in regards to copied (shifted) from original format to computer (or downright piracy where no original media is involved). Not in regards to using the original media.

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What KJ's that have been audited the first time have been audited a second time? Not saying they don't exist, just that I have yet to hear of anyone mentioning they have been audited more than once.

-Chris

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Lonman you've been hosting for what 16 years now? SC has been doing audits/certifications for almost 3 years now. If you don't mind me asking, why is it that you are just recently requesting your audit? Wasn't there issues with the audits you weren't comfortable with?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Given the 3 choices I'll take #2
Just wondering what they would do if I were using this?

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores ... =DVPCX995V

They would never see a disc.

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20 years.
I did not want to have to put a physical scratch in the disc ring. That leads to break down & weakens the plastic at that point which could cause cracks in the disc. When I found out they went to a ultraviolet stamp method, I immediately contacted them! CB was going to be next, but figured i'd get my larger collection out of the way first. Hopefully Digitrax will have some kind of method as well for the CB tracks.

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This, by the way, is one of the reasons I dragged my feet on Sound Choice as well. Once I confirmed the UV stamping, I made arrangements.

-Chris

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Sorry my mistake on the years hosting.

So since SC's announcement of requiring an audit for media shifting, you've been playing SC tracks from original SC media only? You don't have to answer that.


The one time $125 really isn't that big of a deal.

My current hangup, even though is a different reason, isn't much different than yours was. Once that was changed you volunteered for the audit.

There is one particular aspect of the CNS (access to accounting records) I don't agree they need access to and is the only reason I'm not jumping on board. According to Harrington its more for identifying muli-riggers. If I'm volunteering for an audit and providing my contact information, business name, etc... do you really think I'd take a chance on multi-rigging? I'm not even a technical infringer!

In regards to the accounting records, what I may charge for a show, how much I may spend on advertising, equipment, etc.. really isn't any business of a vendor.

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

I have a friend that uses one of those for her show, and it is LOADED with Sound Choice. But if an inspector were to come in, they would see NO discs, whatsoever.

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Have at it, James.

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Gee I wasn't even sure it would read CDG's but thought it might being a DVD player.
So how's work for her?

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...Agreed..

After watching this same argument resurface over and over, it is pretty clear that those that will certify and audit, will. Those against it, won't. I really see no point in trying to change the minds or opinions of the other side.

I personally don't care if any of those against certification ever change their mind about it. It is not my goal to change your mind anyway.

-Chris

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You feel I don't have a valid point?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Really? Your friend uses one LOADED with Sound Choice CDGs?

The features listed on that SONY unit doesn't mention that it reads CDGs anywhere.

Did I miss this important information somewhere? It looks like a great unit. Is there another page that talks about it playing CDGs?

Utter horsepucky. If that were true than all the major manufacturers, service providers, etc would never get a loan. The only way this could be would be a small business who was successfully sued for an amount they couldn't afford or have gone bankrupt. If McDonald's, Ford, American Airlines, Microsoft All successfully sued for big bucks), ever went to Chase Manhatten Bank for a loan, do you really think they would be told no?

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Actually.....No. I don't believe you have a valid point.

I decided to pull out my Covenant Not to Sue and review it along with all the rest of my Sound Choice audit info.

The only mention of anything related to Sound Choice having access to my "financial records" pertains only to proof of purchase of music. Specifically....

Paragraph 4, Section D. - Documents/Books. You should assemble for inspection all of your song lists/song books and receipts from disc purchases made within the last five years. Receipts for disc purchases may be verified against seller records to prevent falsification.

That's it.

They don't ask to know how much I make in a show.
They don't ask to know how much I pay my hosts.
They don't ask to know how much I spend on sound, lighting, props, or anything else.

They only ask for proof of purchase, which is more than reasonable considering how much is out there that is not paid for.

I suspect that is a bit of mud in the waters regarding those that volunteer for an audit vs those that were audited as part of a suit or settlement.

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-Chris