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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:20 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote:
There is a really simple solution to that problem.
If you don't want to be audited, don't media-shift your SC content.
Works for me - but that still doesn't make it ethical. Come to think of it, I also wonder why a company like SC cares what people in the karaoke business are doing anyway. It's kind of like me worrying about the canning industry.....
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karaokegod73
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:48 am |
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TommyA wrote: Nah. I'll just wait for a threatening letter. I'll wait for a letter as well. Why? Because then I know the others around me will be getting them as well, something might actually be done and I will benefit from it.
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Bazza
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:55 am |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: kjathena wrote: karaokegod73 wrote: chrisavis wrote: The sentence that was excluded from my quote is key to the point I was making. Sound Choice's continued monitoring of even those that voluntarily chose an audit should be expected and not be an exception.
People are people and they succumb to temptation.
-Chris If customers should be expected to be monitored like criminals then they shouldn't reasonably expect to have any customers. Funny thing...I worked for GE for a number of years and software vendors monitored them (via on-site audits)as they knew that large companies often "over install" software....GE did not feel like they were being treated as criminals....they understood that the actions of others made it necessary for the vendors to double check. GE was a multi-billion dollar company....here we have single operators and small multi-op companies complaining of the same type of monitoring. Does this seem strange to anyone else here? Just saying Athena One would think that a huge company NEEDS to be watched, not a one person company. NOTHING excuses the behavior of Sound Choice. Nothing? Not even the fact that Kurt busted his (@$%!) for decades to build a large and thriving business that was then slowly drained of its liveblood by thousands of leeches? To watch everything you do be instantly stolen and given away? Nothing? I don't blame Kurt one bit. You would be out for vengeance as well.
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wiseguy53
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 10:37 am |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Because these are private businesses. Some of us don't want VENDOR intervention in our business. We provide a service of playing music. It's not like we have massive safety concerns like construction companies. It's not like we have health concerns like food service and healthcare. We play music. You are putting WAY too much importance into what we do. We play music for drunk people to sing. Certification may be useful if it were a centralized agency that took care of certification. But being certified by one or two mfrs isn't even fair business practice. Asking people to get certified by Sound Choice at a criteria for getting work is ridiculous, and gives advantage ONLY to Sound Choice, since we don't know what is ahead for CB, and no other company cares about certification. I think it's time you wake up and truly look around. Sound Choice is just looking out for their own interests with these certifications. And you people are falling for it. Well stated and exactly how I feel about the subject. Sound Choice using trademark copyright infringement as a legal ploy to force legitimate KJs into submitting to an audit is atrocious. Anyone who agrees with this needs to protect themselves from these tactics by either removing all SC songs from their library (which I have done in protest) or only play SC songs from the original disc.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:14 am |
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@Bazza, I wouldn't be out for vengeance on EVERY KJ out there. That is what SC is doing.
@Wiseguy, thank you. They don't seem to realize it, but the voice of opposition IS getting louder, and Sound Choice WILL feel it, in time, and will have to take a look at why they are not going to be the top company ever again, unless they change their tactics.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:51 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: @Bazza, I wouldn't be out for vengeance on EVERY KJ out there. That is what SC is doing. Every KJ? Huh, yeah, I think not! Every KJ that stole their music, bought a hard drive, traded libraries, multirig on one set - yes! Remember this line - Open your eyes Bro!
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:02 pm |
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: @Bazza, I wouldn't be out for vengeance on EVERY KJ out there. That is what SC is doing. Every KJ? Huh, yeah, I think not! Every KJ that stole their music, bought a hard drive, traded libraries, multirig on one set - yes! Remember this line - Open your eyes Bro! Plus those that their inspectors make mistakes about, and those that shifted. Then they charge the KJ to PROVE he/she is legit. So, yes, EVERY KJ! Open YOUR eyes, Bro!
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:50 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: @Bazza, I wouldn't be out for vengeance on EVERY KJ out there. That is what SC is doing. Every KJ? Huh, yeah, I think not! Every KJ that stole their music, bought a hard drive, traded libraries, multirig on one set - yes! Remember this line - Open your eyes Bro! Plus those that their inspectors make mistakes about, and those that shifted. Then they charge the KJ to PROVE he/she is legit. So, yes, EVERY KJ! Open YOUR eyes, Bro! Mistakes happen in any form of day to day life - deal with it! Don't want to pay, don't shift and play off of cd! Yes they charge for audits only of those who shifted - you don't like it, don't shift! Bottom line! So you only see what you WANT to see!
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wiseguy53
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:56 pm |
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[quote="Lonman"][quote="Smoothedge69"]@Bazza, I wouldn't be out for vengeance on EVERY KJ out there. That is what SC is doing. [/quote]Every KJ? Huh, yeah, I think not! Every KJ that stole their music, bought a hard drive, traded libraries, multirig on one set - yes! Remember this line - Open your eyes Bro![/quote] EVERY KJ who performs SC karaoke songs from a computer is fair game to them. They make no distinction between those who are 1:1 compliant with legally purchased music and those who bought a loaded hard drive of pirated songs. The only criteria they need to name you in a law suit is that you display their logo from any other media than the original disc.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:04 pm |
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: @Bazza, I wouldn't be out for vengeance on EVERY KJ out there. That is what SC is doing. Every KJ? Huh, yeah, I think not! Every KJ that stole their music, bought a hard drive, traded libraries, multirig on one set - yes! Remember this line - Open your eyes Bro! Plus those that their inspectors make mistakes about, and those that shifted. Then they charge the KJ to PROVE he/she is legit. So, yes, EVERY KJ! Open YOUR eyes, Bro! Mistakes happen in any form of day to day life - deal with it! Don't want to pay, don't shift and play off of cd! Yes they charge for audits only of those who shifted - you don't like it, don't shift! Bottom line! So you only see what you WANT to see! I don't know. Sounds like you are in love, to me. Sound Choice can really do no wrong in your eyes. I believe that even if they got sued for some infringement of their own you would defend them tooth and nail. There is no company on this planet that is so wonderful that I would defend everything they do. As a matter of fact, MOST, if not ALL companies are, in some way, corrupt, including your precious Sound Choice.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:19 pm |
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wiseguy53 wrote: EVERY KJ who performs SC karaoke songs from a computer is fair game to them. They make no distinction between those who are 1:1 compliant with legally purchased music and those who bought a loaded hard drive of pirated songs. The only criteria they need to name you in a law suit is that you display their logo from any other media than the original disc. Sure, but they only want to 'sue' those that never bought a disc. If a kj shows their discs, suit dismissed. So that is not EVERY kj!
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:25 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: I don't know. Sounds like you are in love, to me. Sound Choice can really do no wrong in your eyes. I believe that even if they got sued for some infringement of their own you would defend them tooth and nail. There is no company on this planet that is so wonderful that I would defend everything they do. As a matter of fact, MOST, if not ALL companies are, in some way, corrupt, including your precious Sound Choice. What are you 6? In LOVE? Wow! I'm not in LOVE with any company. I try to follow the rules of a company if I choose to use a product. No, I don't like to have to pay to use their tracks on the computer - but I do it, I am going to do it with Digitrax (provided they offer the chance) - it's a business expense to me. Pop Hits Monthly CAP program doesn't apply to me as I have my discs, and their program is to basically get the cost of their library for pirated drives. Do I blame them for trying to recoup money STOLEN from them, not one damn bit. And if they can squash a pirate or two while doing so - more power to them! If they were named in a lawsuit for something and lost, then they probably deserved it as well.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:27 pm |
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Lonman wrote: wiseguy53 wrote: EVERY KJ who performs SC karaoke songs from a computer is fair game to them. They make no distinction between those who are 1:1 compliant with legally purchased music and those who bought a loaded hard drive of pirated songs. The only criteria they need to name you in a law suit is that you display their logo from any other media than the original disc. Sure, but they only want to 'sue' those that never bought a disc. If a kj shows their discs, suit dismissed. So that is not EVERY kj! No, but if they show their discs AFTER getting named they get to pay $500 for that, now. $500 to prove their own innocence. That is a pretty corrupt practice, right there, if you ask me.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:03 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: wiseguy53 wrote: EVERY KJ who performs SC karaoke songs from a computer is fair game to them. They make no distinction between those who are 1:1 compliant with legally purchased music and those who bought a loaded hard drive of pirated songs. The only criteria they need to name you in a law suit is that you display their logo from any other media than the original disc. Sure, but they only want to 'sue' those that never bought a disc. If a kj shows their discs, suit dismissed. So that is not EVERY kj! No, but if they show their discs AFTER getting named they get to pay $500 for that, now. $500 to prove their own innocence. That is a pretty corrupt practice, right there, if you ask me. Gee then maybe they shouldn't have been so stubborn or under the belief that nothing was going to happen to them and subbmitted for their audit before it came down to that. Although I have heard they were planning on raising has anybody actually been charged that after being named? I'd like to hear from one before assuming that policy is actually in effect.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:18 pm |
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: wiseguy53 wrote: EVERY KJ who performs SC karaoke songs from a computer is fair game to them. They make no distinction between those who are 1:1 compliant with legally purchased music and those who bought a loaded hard drive of pirated songs. The only criteria they need to name you in a law suit is that you display their logo from any other media than the original disc. Sure, but they only want to 'sue' those that never bought a disc. If a kj shows their discs, suit dismissed. So that is not EVERY kj! No, but if they show their discs AFTER getting named they get to pay $500 for that, now. $500 to prove their own innocence. That is a pretty corrupt practice, right there, if you ask me. Gee then maybe they shouldn't have been so stubborn or under the belief that nothing was going to happen to them and subbmitted for their audit before it came down to that. Although I have heard they were planning on raising has anybody actually been charged that after being named? I'd like to hear from one before assuming that policy is actually in effect. Of course you are completely forgetting about the many of hosts who may not even know any of this is going on, and then SURPRISE, they are named in a suit and may have to pay to prove their innocence. Not every host in the world comes to this sight, or reads the latest karaoke news.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:26 pm |
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Yep i've said that in the past not every host knows, however at least in this area, SC DID send all kinds of literature to the venues & kj's in the area regarding what was possibly was going to happen as far as lawsuits, so they do try to inform as many as possible before filing anything.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:34 pm |
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Lonman wrote: Yep i've said that in the past not every host knows, however at least in this area, SC DID send all kinds of literature to the venues & kj's in the area regarding what was possibly was going to happen as far as lawsuits, so they do try to inform as many as possible before filing anything. They have sent nothing in this direction.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:36 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Yep i've said that in the past not every host knows, however at least in this area, SC DID send all kinds of literature to the venues & kj's in the area regarding what was possibly was going to happen as far as lawsuits, so they do try to inform as many as possible before filing anything. They have sent nothing in this direction. Maybe they haven't been in your area yet.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:46 pm |
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Yep i've said that in the past not every host knows, however at least in this area, SC DID send all kinds of literature to the venues & kj's in the area regarding what was possibly was going to happen as far as lawsuits, so they do try to inform as many as possible before filing anything. They have sent nothing in this direction. Maybe they haven't been in your area yet. I am sure they haven't.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:27 pm |
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Well then there you go!
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