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ahhh right nice one...i actually agree about this site however i am only comparing it to 1 other and by far this place is superior if only for the fact you can actually say what ya like within reason and ya comments dont get edited deleted or ya get and ear bashing every 5 mins as i experienced ol....it has its flaws the same as the other site people competing but swear they aint, people believing they are the next idol, people whinging like myself olol cliques of people ol errrr oh heaps of drama coronation street would adore ...but i wouldnt wanna be without it, i actually have fun...and ma doctor is well pleased my blood pressure is now normal since arriving here....so its alllllll good...and i do really like the people here...yes the sarcastic buggers as well i like hehehehe

Missy,
You are gonna find it where ever you go.. It's just not as noticable as others.... Hang in.. have an adult beverage... and sing to have a good time. :-}

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Brian D.
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awww me i aint going nowhere it took me 2 years to find my voice again sooo now ive got it i aint letting go this time...i am gonna sing sing sing and be happy ... this is a great site and i can see the hard work phil and the other put into it...and i know everyone no matter what is said on the forums appreciate the hard work to try and keep everyone happy

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This may start KS war #1007
Here is where I agree to disagree myself...
Most Everybody sings and posts like they have something to prove
personally I don't... and I know it... I may post some Information which may be too much to swollow for some people at times.. but I really can't take the time to care.. I have to move on to the next thing.. If it helps.. great! if it hurts.. I appologize in advance.. I really wish everybody my best at all times and hope everybody has alot of fun singing...

My policy in life and singing is I have nothing to prove to anybody except the label I'm signed to, and my maker... They are the only Powers to be... who control my music, write my paychecks, and run my life in that order.

I would suggest one policy to consider when writing Critiques...

"Don't criticise what you don't understand..."

Have a musical day...

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Brian D.
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laughs now i am def keeping out of this one beach ol its time for me to get my kids up for school thats gonna be noisy enough without commenting on ya latest debate lmaooo....see you guys laters olol have fun all!!!!

Good Idea Missy

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Brian D.
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The rating issue is always going to be a hot topic and I don't see it ever being resolved. I just think you (Jazzy) may have the wrong idea about what constitutes a flame or a hijack. As far as I can tell you started a thread about the rating system and gave some very creative suggestions for re-vamping the current system. Tigr eventually came on and gave his opinon on the same issue, but because he didn't agree with you or maybe because the way he said it seemed abrasive or sarcastic, you seem to think he hijacked your thread. I can't see where he went off the topic that you brought up. "the rating system" You then accused him of "flaming " you. Again, I don't see how disagreeing with you can be considered a "flame" He was addressing his comments to the general topic and not directly at you. I don't think anyone doubts your intention when you started the thread, but we have many different opinions and these threads always develop a life of their own. I think that's a good thing. If we all become afraid to vioce our opinons out of fear that it won't be accepted by the masses and only concentrate on the positive things in life the negative things will never be addressed.

I honestly don't care one way or another about the rating system. Keep the one we have.... find a new way.... or ditch the whole thing. I don't pay attention to my ratings anyway. It does seem to matter to a lot of people and this is their site too.

You may have noticed I LIKE to debate. Some people may consider it fighting. I don't. I find people much more interesting if I disagree with them.

But....that's just me and my opinion.

This is not intended to be a "flame" and I think it's still on the topic....but I could be wrong.

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Too soon old......too late smart.

I like the idea of a ratings system in principle. In practice, it doesn't seem to work, partly because people don't want to hurt other people's feelings but also partly because everybody has their own "rules" for how to rank. Some people say only the vocal performance should count. Others say the mix counts, because how is the listener supposed to be able to separate the vocal performance from everything else? Others say if the singer seems to be giving it every last shred of emotion, it should get a high rank even if they have a lousy voice. Some say an obviously good singer singing a song that's wrong for her voice shouldn't be penalized; others disagree.

We all understand that the ranking is subjective, and opinions will necessarily differ. I disagree with the idea that unless you "understand" music, you shouldn't rank. Some people are more knowledgeable about music and singing, and their comments should be more valued. But everybody here is qualified enough to say whether they like a song or not, or even if they're just indifferent.

My problem with the way the ranking system has actually settled in is that the rankings are just so close together that they're meaningless. If some people were getting 2s and 3s and others were getting 8s and 9s, I could at least decide if I agreed with the rankings. As it is, everything rates between a 9 and 10. It's foolish to say something rated 9.6 is really at a different level than something rated 9.3. One person ranking could skew the score more than that.

I don't think it's a fixable problem, because rather than give out low ranks, some people prefer to either give dishonest high ranks or (more commonly) just not rank at all unless they decide it's worthy of a high rank. This gives artificially high overall rankings. I would have thought that keeping the rankings given anonymous would have lessened this problem, but it doesn't look like it has.

I enjoy hearing suggestions for fixing these problems, because I think it would be useful having a ranking system IF it produced results that were meaningful.

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i believe if you kept the ranking anonymous would cause even more bad feeling than they cause right now, you would def see people trying to suss out who had ranked low or who had ranked high ...that's human nature people like to be liked so if they get low rankings they are gonna wanna know why, then ya gonna get quiet whispers and others saying i bet it was so and so who gave that low ranking, oh it opens such a can of worms in my opinion....yes i believe looking and watching the forum as it is now is enough evidence to prove that ...i do still think jazzy has the best solution ...sod the rankings just have a box to tick if your blown away with someones work...to me that would be an honour and whilst i won't rate i would use that system and i don't think it would be abused simply because you can enjoy the performance but i know the feeling i get when someone really gives me a smack in the eye with a performance and that is when i would tick the box

after posting the above and reading back on what i say...1 other thought and now i am confusing myself...even if you tick a box as i said i would, then your still gonna see competition as to who got the most ticks ol and yes i believe that would then maybe cause problems...oh i give up and aint sure what i think anymore....thank god there is the option ...not to rank or get involved just say as pleasantly as you can what you thought of a persons performance

Thank you all of you for your opinions that for the most part were given without making either side to feel that they are right or wrong That's what I like to see...

Some very good points have been brought up and it's good to see where people stand as far as rating, but to see that for the most part, people are coming around to the feeling that as long as they have the ability to "turn off" the rating feature, then they have no problem with other people wanting to be rated. It's also really good to see that people are cool with people bringing out ideas to "revamp" the rating system even if just to get some ideas going to make it work the best it can. And yes, we all know that it will never be a perfect system because we are all human, but we can keep striving to better it to the best of our "human" abilities.

Luly.. BINGO.. you get the big prize.. thank you, someone knows what was going on in this little mind of mine )

BHB.. of course I would accept any apology from you, though I don't really think you had any need of giving me one You have had some wonderful ideas, and I hope you'll continue to shre them with us


Wannabe.. yes, perhaps I have the wrong idea about what a flame is, but I felt that my thread was being attacked and catagorized as another one of "those threads" which are about bickering about the ratings. It's not that he was disagreeing with me.. I wasnt even talking about the things he was ranting about.. The only thing he said on topic was the part where he mentioned where he thought NO rating system is fair thereby saying that he didn't like my idea.. that's what the topic was about, my idea to revamp the system.

If you go back and reread tigrs first post, you will see that he is obviously upset about the bickering about the ratings you get...



and angry about the thread that was talking about comments



And taking a jab at the people who like to be rated




ALL my thread was about was asking about the idea I had and getting feedback about it... that's IT... it was not a thread about debating who's right and wrong, and there was no talk about anyone's duty to comment. It was not another general rating thread, it was for the specific purpose of discussing the idea I had, and maybe some others that some other people may have to add to make the system a little more positive. Noone was debating or bickering about ratings in there.

I know everyone has opinion, and I welcome people to offer them (even if they are written in such an angrily sarcastic tone.. I understand that he might be upset, so that's fine) BUT put it in the thread that was the one talking about the things that got you upset, or start a new one where you open up the floor for discussion for what is upsetting you (as I opened this one.) Don't bring it into a thread that has nothing to do with those things.

It made me feel like he was attacking my thread even if he wasn't because he chose to start debating in there. And it totally turned the discussion away from why I started it.. talking about the idea I had, and turned it more into another "rate/no rate" debate, and a rant on the bickering about ratings and comments. I really wish he just would have started a new thread is all... Nothing against him or his opinions... just was sad.. and yes sad is the word (not angry), that the thread turned away from the discussion I was trying to have... That's how I felt.. whether I'm justified in that or not, is questionable I'm sure, but that's just the honest truth as to how it felt on my side of things... I'm sorry if I upset anyone by my getting upset on the other thread..

and yes, you are on topic, as I opened this as a place to air your feelings about ratings to step away from my other thread (as I said in my first post about knowing that I had open this can of worms here)

I will say again in closing, as I have seen some people say in this thread in different words. Arguing about the ratings/no ratings is probably a moot point at this juncture now that we have the ability to check that little box to not be rated. It's nice to know that we have a choice here and the options for either way are there for us if we want them...

Now I'm going to make some waffles.... anyone want any??

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Yes, please!! Blueberry with just a little whipped cream on top....ummmmmm.

And thanks for saving me a lot of typing. You say things much better than I!

Too Bad we don't rate on "Hot or Not" rating system here because I'd be the first to post in my signature the following...

...And Remember... The "NOT" button is located... on the... (and disclose the position on the board.)

Have a great day folks!

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Brian D.
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And now for my next trick i will ask this double post to be deleted.....

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Brian D.
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Good morning..... who wants a waffle???? Sorry MM... ya know blueberries are REALLY expensive this time of year... is strawberry ok????

Sheraokee,
I'd make a rude comment.. (Innuendo) but I can't... the picture looks too good and I'm also on my lunch hour... Dang Chinese delivery...

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Brian D.
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Well "rude" and "innuendo" are two different things in my book... I hope you have a nice lunch Brian.... you will be hungry again in a half hour ya know? Waffles are gonna satisfy ya much longer!!!!!!

I love big glops of peanut butter on my waffles...is that weird??

Carol's boys are like that too! I think it has something to do with the area of the country you were raised in.

Jazzy sweety, you are justified in how you feel; feelings are feelings. I can see how you were sad at how the thread was turned by Tigrr's vent about the ratings. But I really do think it was a random way his vent landed there; it just happened to land in a thread that was talking about a similar topic (rating) and he just kinda let loose cuz like many others including me, he was just frustrated about the rating/comment style on this site.

I'm sure it was absolutely nothing against you and not trying to take away from your good ideas about ratings. I really think it was just a sorta bad timing thing, where he got this blast of inspiration of needing to express how he felt about the ratings, and he started writing in your thread before he lost the momentum and energy.

Maybe Phil could just move that post outta there, into the other thread ("not lasting 24 hrs"). Because your ideas and comments stand strongly on their own; Tigrr's post can't erase the validity of them, to me at least, and I'm sure, to many others.

You seem like a smart, sensitive lady; I can relate cuz I'm super-sensitive (and you're prolly regular sensitive)...in any case, I can relate to how you must be feeling.