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I see it as just another business expense for the permission shift the best tracks I own from disc to computer. CB will be next in my line.

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Rules/policies change! The policy today didn't exist before you paid, so how could they have told you?

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Burns (for an entire library) were never ok as far as i'm aware, been doing karaoke since 89, working in the biz since 90. Even a little slip of a thread Derek Slep made OVER 13 years ago stating if he saw a couple of burns, he wouldn't think anything of it, but if he saw an entire library, he'd suspect piracy - this was back in 98 when piracy was really started to emerge with the advent of CD ROM burners & WINCDG from GoldenHawk. It wasn't until the computers ripping software times that by 100x and growing.

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Well that explains how far I knew, huh?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

What is the next policy change? Could that be that if you own the original disk, you must now pay a fifty dollar per year storage fee for the honor of having their intellectual property at your address?

Since when do the rules and policies change regarding using the original disk in a disc player? It's apparent that the rules are changed so that if you are using a disc in a disc player, you now have a possibility of being sued.

That's not a change of policy that is a threat.

Chip, you are so full of it. Nothing has changed about OMD. You use them the way they are supposed to and there's no problem. If for some chance there is, it can be settled very quickly.

Again you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

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That's your own worries you have in your mind. That is not who they are targetting and you know full well of that. IF by chance they named you in a suit, then you show your discs & its dropped but the probability is pretty low that a disc user would actually get sued - and don't bring up the 2 out of hundreds - Rodneys was dropped & he is continuing to use his SC discs today, don't know what became of the other but if I recall it was dropped as well.

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Nothing has changed? Sure it has. You might just want to call it a "policy change." Just ask Lonnie.

Now apparently when you use original manufactured discs, you need to either post signs, wave them about or announced that you're actually about to play a disc. And, if you play a patrons disk, you better make them sign a log sheet and a release along with their complete contact information "If for some chance there is a problem."

It's easy to be critical when you live in a different country.

Your position that "if for some chance there is a can be settled very quickly" is simply damage control after the problem.

My point is there shouldn't be any at all.
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Yeah I don't think this was a serious requirement, but only suggested to someone as worried as yourself about using SC discs.

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You really need to stop using the phrase "named you in a suit" because what the phrase really is: "sued you in court." Your constant sugarcoating is a misrepresentation of what is really happening.

Yes, Rodney's lawsuit was dropped – ninety days later – and he continues to use his disk today because they had no cause to sue him in the first place. During that ninety day period, other people – including some cheerleaders on these forums – accused Rodney a being a pirate, a liar, even a false identity. in the meantime how many other KJ's approach to his venues trying to take his gig? That is a question for Rodney.

You are taking the same attitude as the others that if sound choice were to sue someone it would be "purely by accident."

It is no "accident" at all.

There are those that already log them. And there are even cheerleaders that photograph them and log them. So I don't think your comment above is some unnecessary concern, it's already being acted on by their own customers.

You see it your way I see it mine. I don't agree with paying for the audit either, but I do see it as a new expense to the business to use my discs on computer, I am doing SC now and will be doing CB in the next few weeks. If I was just using the discs still, I wouldn't worry about it at all and if I got 'sued', then i'd show my discs and be on my way - the clubs that were 'sued' here are still doing fine after being dropped from the suits. Yes the cheerleaders were far out of line in Rodneys case, I agree.
Bottom line if you want to use the discs, use them, if not, then don't. That's completely up to you, but it makes no sense to repeatidly complain about it. Your point has been heard to ad nauseum.

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I think that's by their choice, I still don't think it's a requirement.

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Uhm, not exactly. That policy has been changed.

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I do not believe that applies to ODB users. Only to those who format shifted & didn't want to submit to voluntary audit.

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Then why pay for an audit now? Why not simply wait until you get sued? After all, it's a no big deal thing right?

Apparently it is a big enough deal for you to schedule one in advance.



I thought all of the singers from the other clubs were flocking to your show because you are using the brand? Apparently then, the other clubs can function just fine without using the brand.

Where did I say 'flocking' to my shows? You love putting words into others mouths! I said I have in fact gained customers from shows that have pulled SC from their library. The 2 shows the singers have mentioned that have done this weren't even in the suits to begin with, so no they aren't necessarily doing just fine without the brand if those singers are looking elsewhere to sing them.

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Because I feel it's a part of my business as I have shifted my library to computer so yes I do feel it's a big deal to do things in accordance to new guidelines. I used to run burned discs as well, when I found out those were not legal for backups, I destroyed all those (around 99-2000 era). I waited to move to computer, not for any other reason but because the software had features I wanted that a disc based host didn't have access to. Not for back up purposes or anything else. I sometimes actuall miss spinning discs & will on occasion do an 'old school' night & have people actually look up songs in the books to write down numbers & I run all night on discs only.
If I was running strictly from discs on a nightly basis, no I wouldn't worry about it at all!

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That wasn't a quote, nor was it intended to appear as a quote of yours. If it was, you can bet that I would've used the quote formatting.That was the impression that you give. It appears to be slightly overblown.

The next requirement will be that you are not allowed to use SC commercially at all!

But I don't think that will come for a long time as there are lots of shifters out there
for them to sue.

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