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karaokemeister
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 Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:00 pm |
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Tigrr27 wrote: <snip>
since I am new I totally expect to be flamed by the clique who rules here but that is OK because I understand how this forum works simply by reading all of the forums... I will slip back into the corner and continue to listen to subs no matter what the rankings or comments are... as always, keep on singing- tig
There's a clique that rules here? I wish I knew who they were. I'm just a posting fool trying to help when I can.
Re: Ranking
People are inherently competitive. Singers put a lot of time and effort into their submissions and they hope to do well. People like to be ranked - especially when they're ranked at the top. The petty politics and bickering unforutnately come out all too often when ranking is involved. Especially when someone you think is 'worse' gets rated 'higher' than you. You are right about changing the system in that there is no fair way to rank. Even the 'checkmark of excellence' or 'Holy defication Batman' (or whatever you want to call it) isn't fair. Did this song 'make the grade'? Why or why not? No matter the ranking system people will always pull out the manners and say 'Mr/Ms X is my friend. I can't be mean to my friend. I must give them 2 watermelons and a lucky cherry." <- the top in the ficticious ranking system I'm using for this part of my post. (It will change later so don't bother trying to figure it out.) What about using the Spinal Tap scoring system where those 'special' recordings get an '11'? It won't be long before everyone is an 11 and the 'special' recording will require a 12. Next thing you know the lowest score will be  .
Re: Rankings at a karaoke venue
If you don't think you get 'ranked' at a karaoke venue, try again. You're ranked with applause and/or high fives, etc. Ever see someone come off stage to mediocre applause and a general lackluster response? That was 3 kittens and a llama. See someone else come off stage to a wild audience, roaring applause and a series of 'high-fives' all the way to their seat? That was 2 catapillars, a St. Bernard, and a jackrabbit.
Re: The comments and comment conversations
Yes, there is a push to have people comment on subs. I've found the only way I can get people to listen to my sub is to listen and comment on theirs. That's what I say over and over again when people ask about why they're not getting listened to. If you sub, listen to others and comment they will come. When I do comment on a post I generally like them to reply back even if it's nothing more than '10x' (Thanks). Why? That way I know they read my comment. They don't have to like the fact that I told them they were only 2 elephants instead of 6 mice and a Chihuahua but I would like to know that they at least saw the comments and might have actually read it. I comment on things I hear right and wrong in hopes they might use it to improve. No, I'm not a music professional but if I can't hear the vocals then it's not likely that the professional engineer is going to hear them either.
Because I seek to improve my singing/mixing ability I request people comment on my subs honestly to let me know what I did right or wrong. I personally don't care if you think I did everything wrong and don't even rate 2 squirrels and a turtle I'd like to know what you think is wrong. I may or may not try to change it but I want the feedback anyway. BTW. I let my subs get ranked but half the time I don't get enough comments to get a rank that shows (requires 10 comments for ranking to show up). Ok, the truth? I'm too cheap for a vocal instructor/coach and I'm hoping to get some cheap instruction based on my submissions. 
Re: Jello
Who would think a little food coloring, artificial flavor, and geletin could be so much fun? Careful though. Jello and similar wrestling can prove to be harmful to your health - didn't you see what happened to Blue in Old School? (You're my boy Blue!).
Re: The Truth
Ok. You win. We're all a bunch of crazy egomaniacs seeking justification for our continued existence through the rankings on our singing submissions. It's so important to us that the first person to get ranked less than a 9 overall is the first human sacrifice to the singing gods in hope that it will please them that the bad singer is no more and they will honor us with 'golden throat'. 
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Tigrr27
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:56 pm |
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Re: The Truth
Finally someone got it right... I have already solved the problem on my end simply by stopping listening to, and submitting, any subs and I know that breaks your heart... this tit for tat kindergarten crap is so laughable... if i ever submit another song, for those of you obsessed with ranks and comments, please do me a big favor and do not listen to it... funny how new members can see the obsession... you mock it being an obsession- phil tell us how much time and how many threads (especially before I was a member because this has been going on longer than I have been here) have been dedicated to this topic??? how much has been wasted because someone didn't like how they were ranked or didn't like the comments??? yup it's not an obsession... take a head count- how many people don't even post or sub on the site anymore??? I can go back a number of pages on the SS and not see members names who used to be active daily on this site... the emperor still has no clothes on but feel free to look the other way- tig
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A NEW DAY
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:34 pm |
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one year.....at band camp...........
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Tony Sotomayor
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:48 pm |
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JUST A REMINDER:
MUSIC IS A VERY POWERFUL TOOL OF HUMAN EXPRESSION AND SHOULD ONLY BE USED TO SPREAD GOOD WILL. LOVE, PEACE AND HARMONY AMONG ALL. WHEN I SING A SONG OR LISTEN TO A SONG, THAT'S ALL I THINK ABOUT AND THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT. THIS SITE OFFERS WHAT I NEED FOR ME TO BE HAPPY. I STAY FOCUSED ON THE POSITIVE AND IGNORE THE NEGATIVES. PERFECT IS NOT BUT, WHAT IS? I TAKE WHAT I NEED AND GIVE IT RIGHT BACK.
WITHOUT DIRECTING THIS TO ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR ON THIS WELL INTENTIONED THREAD, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT MY REMARKS FIT VERY WELL ALL OVER IT.
PLEASE, TAKE A MOMENT TO THINK ABOUT IT.
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JazzyBaggz
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:16 pm |
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Oh good grief.. here we go again 
I dunno what to think.. I relinquish all responsibility for this thread I started as it has totally turned into something I had not intended at all..
Tigrr.. I should not say anything but i can't help myself because i'm trying to understand you.. I apologized before b/c I thought you were being angrily sarcastic when none of that seemed called for or provoked.. now reading your latest post... i dunno what to think.. noone here was debating or being childish.. we were having adult discussion because we care about this site and want to try to make it the best it can be... You seem to be the one obsessed b/c you are the only one who seems to be gettin' so danged ornary over everything. If there is anything myself and most others is obsessed about, it is trying to make this place the best it can be and the most people satisfied with their experience here.. If i'm reading you wrong.. I hope you can see how I would with some of the things you've been saying on an otherwise friendly thread..
*sigh*
KaraokeMeister you make some very good points, and I do concurr that any rating with any scale is going to have similar problems.. I am open to the 5 pt star thing.. I don't know if it will really be any different. I'm hoping it will be a nice change.. we won't know till we try it I guess. The only different thing about what I was suggesting is that it doesn't have any "taking away" aspect... you either decide to give it or not, and i think because it is just a special thing, people would be more likely to reserve it for what they truly think (in their opinion) is an exceptional sub. I also thought that perhaps more would be willing to use it therby making it a more accurate reflection of how people were feeling.. I could be wrong.. and probably am  . Also, since people can't see who gave them the "mark" they will not be obliged to just give it to their buddies or whomever gave it to them. Another thing that could be implemented, is that each person be only allowed to give the "mark" so many times in a 24 hour period.. that would encourage people to hold on to their available "marks" to be used for what they really think is "tops" .. and would alleviate the dillemna that some people have of wanting to give it to everything.. It would also make them more special, and make the submitter feel ok about not getting it b/c they will know that people have limited amounts of them they can give... does that make sense??
I know my idea will probably never come into play, and that's fine  I just liked the idea, and wanted to toss it out for discussion... thanks to those of you who were kind enough to humour me (LOL) and listen and give feedback in a non - combative or inflammatory way.. I chose my wording and how I presented this whim of mine in such a way that I was sure I would avoid that type of thing.. I guess I did something wrong 
*heads back to the kitchen to prepare the next batch of watermelon jello*
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:39 pm |
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RE: RE: the truth.... NOBODY wants to really hear the "real truth" because they can't handle the truth. There are no Alan Jackson's here or Jimmy Buffet's or for that matter Grammy award winning stars subbing on this board.. so why are there 10's?
Yes I'm starting in....   
Who wants to discuss the issues?
Without flaming the host??? 
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HEADS TOGETHER
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:06 pm |
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Jazzy:
Have I lost my mind or didn't u come up with the star thing too? Maybe you are getting us all confused with your different new ideas for how things should be.......  Can we all type the same size here, since we are all the same ?
Tig: I have a large tendacy to agree with most of what you said, pal...Tact may not be your strong suit. , but many of your points are very well taken....and if in fact you did read the other threads here you will see where I have shared many similar thoughts... Karaoke should be fun............no need to rain on anyones parade.....cuz...... .. most of us do this for fun...Folks looking for careers should look elsewhere as this is not Star Search nor is it American Idol.....and prolly none will be plucked and sent to Nashville or where ever other "BIG SHOTS" go...
We are not all graduates of SINGING college (lol, mmmm is that a place?) or MIXOLOGY college.. (aka. sound engineers)...Most of us never recorded anything but maybe our husbands snoring just to prove to him he did, after he denyed it....Most don't know mix from trix.(me)....Some had to bargain with someone to hook their computer up to even do this, and some like me are still waiting to get properly hooked up.....some can't carry a tune in a bucket, some you wonder why they ain't stars, but we know they are not, cuz they are HERE....But we are all stars (no pun intended ) to someone....hopefully....
SO......Please keep subbing, and please comment if you get time and know that this is a good place with some very friendly people...I apologize if anyone hurt your feelings...I know how u feel cuz I felt the same way when I first got here...if you don't believe me, read some more threads..There are some truly wonderful people here and anyone I have ever asked for anything has been right there to help me....They will all do anything they can for you, in my experience.....
BUT: I must also say I do not feel there are cliques....(I hate cliques) I do think there are some mutual admirations....and I think that is a good thing...We all have some favorites...Let me tell you I even enjoyed some HIP_HOP this week...I listened to 4 hip hop tunes and liked em, ....and I have had exposure to Opera here and learned to like it as well....Just keep an open mind....Pick up on the parts you enjoy and throw the rest of the useless bunk over your shoulder for luck, hun....But try to not let just a few off handed comments turn you against the bunch....cuz there are some wonderful people here....Please sing and enjoy....
Karaoke should be fun, above all....and so should this site be...........!!!
Anyone else want a hat?
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Tigrr27
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:09 pm |
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BHB yup you are correct... it is politicaly incorrect to talk about truth because it might hurt someone's feelings... seeing a long line of 10's in the SS is about as accurate as voting counts in florida... I have rewritten my response about 10 times now because the material writes itself... so in order to become one of the pod people I just have a few things to say... you all are 10's... every sub is a magnificent piece of art... I strive to be a 10... apparently the other threads where members have cried foul because people were giving them 9's was just my imagination... and the threads crying tit for tat on comments or they weren't going to listen to their subs... and the continuous threads of how to make it "fair" whatever "fair" means... and the threads of people sabotaging the rankings... yup.. all in my mind.. ghosts in the machine... I forget if I need to take the red pill or the blue pill... -tig
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:19 pm |
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oh, for God's sake--if you don't want to deal with the rating system (as i choose not to do), then don't rate people (which i don't) and don't ask to be rated (which i don't). make music, enjoy yourself, have fun. or find something else that you'd rather enjoy doing. who knows, if you stick around you might make a few good friends (which i did). know what? it's only worth coming here if you get some fun out of it.
sheree, what time did you say the secret clique was meeting? i lost the flyer you sent me.
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Tammy
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:20 pm |
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AMEN Headstogether.
It would be fine with me...if things stayed the way they are right now,as far as ratings go.I have the option to be rated or not be rated.
Thats all thats needed in my opinion. 
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Tigrr27
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:25 pm |
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Heads together- I was writing another post when ya posted and yours was an excellent post... my feelings are not hurt I just find it amazing the need for some to be top ranked and the tit for tat comments is laughable... it seems more of a 3rd grade class mentality- I got 5 stars on my math... I got 4 stars on my spelling... wow... I am trying hard to become one of the pod people and just visit the site and blindly follow along but as it was pointed out (quite correctly) tact is not my strong point... but i do speak honest and call it as I see it... I have went back and read practically every thread I possibly could and have read more posts by knightshow than I care to ever see again someone put a muzzle on him... I am pretty much resigned to go back to being invisible (yup I have that power) and being entertained with the posts... I suppose I will eventually fade away just as many others... -tig
P.S. knightshow is my business partner and any slams I make on him are in jest, FYI, and encouraged ...
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:25 pm |
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Tig be sure you go back to bottom of page 2....I wrote u a note there...
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Tigrr27
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:28 pm |
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yeah I got your note Heads together took me so long to write and edit and rewrite and re-edit and rewrite that you slipped between the cracks... normally I just say no to cracks but I went back and caught yours (your note- not crack)... be well and keep on singing- tig
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:37 pm |
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well...glad u found it, tig.....Stay, in spite of the few...I did...and am glad...Make yourself at home here....there is lots of room to sit, stay and enjoy....The buggers will wear themselves out eventually.....
If anyone needs help ask for it, if you have critisims private messages are a lovely place to put them....but when someone...ANYONE...steps down off the stage folks, they deserve applause,  because we all hopefully do the best we can....
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karaokemeister
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:38 pm |
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There was another thread a while back where I gave away my secret plan to sing horribly off key, off tempo, and generally REALLY bad and wait for the 10's to roll in so I could call people on it.
The lack of tolerance for the truth in today's society really sucks. I'm not calorically challenged, I'm overweight. I'm not sunshine challenged, I'm pale. I'm not vertically challenged, I'm short. Get a grip and tell the truth people... if we told it like it was or did comparisons to 'professional' singers instead of each other the problem would go away and maybe tiggr27 would stop bringing up the lack of 'truth'.
BTW, I'm not the best singer in the world and I know that. Hell, I'm not even above average. I'm lucky to carry a tune in a bucket with the lid on it. The truth? I can handle the truth - I'm a no talent hack who's tone deaf and should take my KJ equipment back and beg for a refund. I should threaten to sing until they give it to me. 
Maybe I should have stuck with playing clarinet/bass clarinet all those years ago? or taken up something less risky than posting here - like nude skydiving sans parachute in Antartica during July 4th weekend (those from 'down under' might get the July comment).
Rate, don't rate, listen, don't listen, comment, don't comment... I could give a rat's (@$%&#!) if you do or don't on my sub or anyone else's. If you think there's something I could do better and want to tell me then do so. You could PM me, email me, call me, IM me, hell, you could even leave a comment. Actually, I haven't posted any new subs lately so no one's listening to my stuff or doing anything.
I have a grande idea! We could remove the ability to comment and rate. You could be listened to, but no one could say anything about it. That way, instead of some constructive critisism allowing me to possibly improve I can continue to suck forever deluding myself into thinking that I'm Grrrrreat! While we're at it, we could ditch the entire forum because someone might sneak over hear and comment on my submission letting me know how sucky I really am. That just won't do. Instead of some truth possibly being mixed in with all the smoke I'm getting on the backside I won't get anything but my own delusions. Sounds like a plan to me! Phil! Notify the sponsors and owners we're shutting down the board so we can't get smoke blown up our posteriors anymore!
Well, tiggr27, are you enjoying watching the results of the hornet's nest you whacked with a stick? I haven't had a chance to ditch this much sarcasm out in a long long time.... BTW, take BOTH the red and blue pill, I always wanted to know what happens if you did that....
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JazzyBaggz
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:40 pm |
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Sher.. thanks hon I think you are a wonderfully sweet person too now bring on the whipped cream...
Quote: apparently the other threads where members have cried foul because people were giving them 9's was just my imagination... and the threads crying tit for tat on comments or they weren't going to listen to their subs... and the continuous threads of how to make it "fair" whatever "fair" means... and the threads of people sabotaging the rankings
HeadsTogether.. you are absolutely right girl.. I did indeed introduce the star thing (i may not have been the first tho), but I realized after thinking it through that it wasn't much different from the system used now.. that's when this other idea hit me, and i (regrettably now) decided to share it.. I'm sorry for the confusion...
BHB.. i hope you are just being fecetious because it's not fair to say there is noone here worthy of such greatness.. I not only speak for myself but for the couple others here who might have the dream of one day doing this for a living and maybe achieving that kind of greatness.. might it not happen.. yes, but does that make our ambitions and our talents any less?? I know i'm not the greatest singer in the world.. as is anyone, but there are definitely some here who could be classified with those other famous greats even if they don't get to ever achieve their fame..
Tammy, I agree.. I'd be just fine if things stayed the way they were, for the mere fact that we always do have that option to be not rated.. that's what makes all this bickering so silly to me. I was just putting my idea out there to see if it was pallateable.. huggs
I've said my peace... I will go blue in the face to say anymore to people who will never let things go or who obviously want to make everything an argument.. Go on and keep inciting this kind childishness as I will not partake..
Phil.. please remove this thread at your earliest convience... I think it is not productive and is turning into a flame .. regrettably
Elisha
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