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Are you saying if the business is incorporated, they are untouchable as far as the $750,000 judgement order is concerned? If they remain in business, wouldn't that be providing income from which they could be paying off the judgement and it's accruing interest? And if so, wouldn't they now have to charge more for their gigs to be able to cover the "overhead" of their $750,000 "loan"?

If their business is a limited corp, they can close down that particular business and SC won't be able to touch a cent other than what is there at the time. They can then create a new limited corp and can be back in business in no time. With a limited corp, personal assets cannot be touched and only what is actually owned by the business can be seized. For instance, perhaps all that sound equipment is only leased from the owner of the business and they are his personal assets. Can't touch them.... Just saying...

Currently Karaoke Miami LLC is an "inactive" corporation.

http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/ ... 02313.aspx

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Well, that doesn't seem morally right does it?

The second you bring morals into business decisions, you might as well close up shop.
Not to say that you shouldn't use some, but if your business will suffer at all because of it... Well...
Just sayin'

Chip maybe you should speak to some police forensic labs about the recovery of "erased/deleted" files. They are not as gone as you may think.

The best way to destroy what's on a hard drive is to smash it into little itty bitty pieces.

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There are programs out there that will completely rid the drive of all deleted data, FOREVER. Not so hard to do as you would think.
These are just a few of them. There are many others that are equally effective. Overwriting several times is the best way, though.
http://www.friedbeef.com/8-ways-to-perm ... any-trace/

Thankyou diafel.

With all due respect, Tim is correct..

I've recovered data from hard drives that were formatted and a new OS installed.. My students @ college were given this assignment to prove to them what did and didn't work.. Overwriting works with fools and noobs..

Forensic analysis can recover quite a bit..

It depends on the recovery method used..

Smashing the hard drive partially works..

Grinding the hard drive into pieces does work..

And that's why the US Government required the hard drive to be removed and destroyed on any computer that was used in a secure area. (ie: Black Project)

They even pull the memory out, assuming someone could recover data from the ram.. and they can..

Your mileage may vary..

To add to what I said, it takes time, determination to get the info, unlike CSI where they can get a result on anything in 15 minutes flat.

Also if all one had to do was to close the company, ignore, or any myriad of things to avoid paying on a lawsuit and it was that easy, then why bother suing anybody.

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Does this then mean that SC should either "smash" or "grind" Karaoke Miami's devices to insure total deletion of any SC mark on the devices?

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While it is true that data can almost always be recovered, few have the resources to do so (the tools can be very expensive and exclusive).

As far as the judgement for soundchoice is concerned, the files simply need to be rendered unusable. This can be accomplished for all practical purposes through overwriting.

As far as the defendant hiding or retaining his other files is concerned, that can be done by copying his files to a back-up drive prior to surrendering the original and then overwriting everything but the soundchoice files. It's unlikely soundchoice will go to the expense of trying to see what else was on the drive.

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No that's not what the judge said..

Yes. I believe you are correct.

Perhaps SC should go back to the judge & see if they can "smash" or "grind" since it is a fact that deleted data can be recovered off of these devices.

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anything overwritten less than 32 times is easily recoverable with software that costs less than 300.00.....more expensive software available easily can look 128 layers deep and recover data. I am not real computer savvy nor a programmer but I can and have used software to recover data 28 layers deep.....The only way to insure complete unrecoverable data is to destroy the drive....I use a drill on mine and a really strong speaker magnet

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Timberlea,
I've been in computers since 1981.. that's 30 years... I do know about the forensics.... I'm fully aware of the sub-disc timing marks that are placed when data is written and that's OLD technology dating back the days of reel-to-reel tapes and sigma-9 drum drives which also use timing marks.

You are talking about "high-level erasures"... I'm talking about "low-level" that goes well beyond a disk format.

Nice try. Stick to police work.




Correct. Even back in the days of tape drives, the Gov't. required reels of tape to be unspooled and burned.

The answer to your question is pretty much a gimme:

1) this was a DEFAULT settlement. No contest to the the suit.

2) Anyone going to court would either bring a knowledgeable lawyer or be BE knowledgeable enough to point out what is pretty much a sieve of a case. The judge pretty much HAD to side with SC without anyone to contest the suit.

I DO wish the best of luck on the collection of those funds from the KJ....

However, I WILL say this: If a KJ is dumb enough to allow the case to go to default, then whatever happens to them is CAUSED by them.

Note the following for ANY lawsuit one may find themselves involved in: TAKE the time to do the research. LEARN what is required in regard to ANY suit. GET the information from unbiased sources ( for instance in case of a suit from SC, one would be a moron to confine their knowledge to whatever SC tells them- duh?). HAVE all the information BEFORE making any decisions. Then MAKE one.

Waiting for ANY lawsuit to "go away" is self- destructive. BE pro-active.

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"deep?".... you must think a hard drive is like a pool?

If you want to erase data.. that can never be recoverable, there is open source external block overwrite utilities that can do it and they're free. You just have to find one that is not disabled by your computer's basic input/output service. (BIOS)

Then why would the government require grinding a HD up that holds classified info if these utilities are available?

Also can this utility just delete certain files or does it kill the whole drive?

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Assuming this person was a pirate ( although personally, I assume nothing without proof), they would still have grounds for several lawsuits against SC were SC to erase anything but SC tracks. They have no authorization to do so, the "pirate could claim anything from destruction of personal property to restraint of trade.

On the other hand, if he/she was stupid enough to allow a default, he/she is probably too stupid to know that.

I have yet to see anyone willing to fight taken to court by SC. To me, this in itself is an indicator of their lack of legal resolve.

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