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The Lone Ranger
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Murray C wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: Maybe you can explain to me why the conflicting statements by Harrington Law as to the effectiveness of this procedure of theirs. I don't see conflicting statements by Harrington Law. Perhaps if you would learn to quote properly, you might realise that your comprehension of "conflicting statements" was actually brought about by the fact that the two statements were made by two different people!   Thanks for pointing out it was chip's response and not Harrington Law, now the situation is clear, for a minute I thought Harrington was making conflicting statements. Sometimes it's a little hard to follow, they have made clear one point, however, that the prime concern of all these suits is to recover money for SC. At the expense it would seem of all hosts.
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c. staley wrote:
..... contrary to popular belief, I am open-minded....
I can respect that.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:11 pm |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: ....they have made clear one point, however, that the prime concern of all these suits is to recover money for SC. At the expense it would seem of all hosts. and when was this in question? i thought Kurt made that apparent a long time ago.
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JoeChartreuse
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cueball wrote: c. staley wrote: Skid Rowe wrote: So he did it himself, not me. That's a relief. I didn't want Chip to not like me anymore. I mean 'cause we're so close and always seem to see eye to eye on stuff. Only on those days that don't contain the letter "y" I guess that leaves "TOMORROW" open for possibilities.  I love it! That's the good thing about TOMORROW, Cue- it always is. 
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JoeChartreuse
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See, what gets me is that by using Trademark Infringement (whether or not I think it will hold water) SC is targeting virtually every PC based KJ that has media shifted the logo.
A media shifted logo isn't something that cost SC their income- it was pirated tracks.
They are going after virtually all PC based KJs to pay for what only the track thieves have cost them?
Sorry, but to me this crosses from "recouping losses" to simply using litigation to literally scare up a new source of income for a company that didn't have the skills to survive in the karaoke music production industry.
In my opinion it's unethical to the extreme.
PS: I know there are different thoughts here, but IMHO, anyone who decides to change over from disc to PC NOW might want to mull that over a bit...
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The Lone Ranger wrote: Wall Of Sound wrote: c. staley wrote: $125/year for SC, $199/year for CB and so on... Your information is wrong. Annual fees are not that much after the initial audit costs. You can call both manu's to get the facts. Sound Choice: 1-800-788-4487 Chartbuster: 1-800-347-5504  The whole point is you have to pay something just to use a product, they should be paying you for the promotion of the trademark and keeping the public's mind on the product, it is free advertising at your show. Oh of course that would be true if they were still making product right. Sometimes I get confused about what business Sound Choice is really in these days. That's right they are now professional legal litigants, looking to file those personal injury suits. Here is a thought, don't pay the fee and don't recieve an audit. The audit is your option, take it or leave it.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:20 am |
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[quote="rumbolt] Here is a thought, don't pay the fee and don't recieve an audit. The audit is your option, take it or leave it.[/quote] There is one more option boycott the product, don't give SC free advertising, then there would be no need for an audit or a fee. Then let SC try to make a case out of that. They could probably have a lawyer. then try to make the case, your failure to show the logo, caused them lost sales, cost them potential revenues. You'll then have to rent the GEM series to make amends. 
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The Lone Ranger wrote: [quote="rumbolt] Here is a thought, don't pay the fee and don't recieve an audit. The audit is your option, take it or leave it.[/quote] There is one more option boycott the product, don't give SC free advertising, then there would be no need for an audit or a fee. Then let SC try to make a case out of that. They could probably have a lawyer. then try to make the case, your failure to show the logo, caused them lost sales, cost them potential revenues. You'll then have to rent the GEM series to make amends. [/quote] Well if you boycott Sc's product then you wont have to worry showing their logo at all then. I will continue to use their product so a boycott is out of the question, but you do as you please. Sc could not give two s%$#s is you don't use their product and get or not get an audit. So there, case closed and all your problems are solved. That was easy!
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:49 am |
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rumbolt wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: [quote="rumbolt] Here is a thought, don't pay the fee and don't recieve an audit. The audit is your option, take it or leave it.[/quote] There is one more option boycott the product, don't give SC free advertising, then there would be no need for an audit or a fee. Then let SC try to make a case out of that. They could probably have a lawyer. then try to make the case, your failure to show the logo, caused them lost sales, cost them potential revenues. You'll then have to rent the GEM series to make amends. [/quote][/quote] Well if you boycott Sc's product then you wont have to worry showing their logo at all then. I will continue to use their product so a boycott is out of the question, but you do as you please. Sc could not give two s%$#s is you don't use their product and get or not get an audit. So there, case closed and all your problems are solved. That was easy![/quote][/quote][/quote] That is the whole point we have options the future of this industry shouldn't depend on one company. Especially when that company no longer is engaged in their primary business, which would mean actually making a product. What if SC goes the way of so many other manus and simply ceases to exist. The way some hosts talk they can't live without SC, I hope that is not true for their sakes, and the sake of karaoke in general.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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i don't think anyone could not do a show without any one manu. but at least to me, whoever has the best version of a song is who i pick. to pull discs that i already have to use a lesser version just seems dumb. there have been rumors of DK being picked up by one of the big 3. then what, pull all your DK (which your show relies on according to you) and use Idol Makers? that's a lot of money just sitting there doing nothing
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rumbolt wrote: Sc could not give two s%$#s is you don't use their product....... I think truer words have never been spoken. This might explain a lot.....
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JoeChartreuse wrote: rumbolt wrote: Sc could not give two s%$#s is you don't use their product....... I think truer words have never been spoken. This might explain a lot..... No they give a $h!t if your steal their product!!!! _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Lonman wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: rumbolt wrote: Sc could not give two s%$#s is you don't use their product....... I think truer words have never been spoken. This might explain a lot..... No they give a $h!t if your steal their product!!!! 
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote: i don't think anyone could not do a show without any one manu. but at least to me, whoever has the best version of a song is who i pick. to pull discs that i already have to use a lesser version just seems dumb. there have been rumors of DK being picked up by one of the big 3. then what, pull all your DK (which your show relies on according to you) and use Idol Makers? that's a lot of money just sitting there doing nothing Fat Chance and not in your lifetime. Next rumor you'll hear is that "one of the big 2" ('cause it ain't even 3 anymore) will pick up Nutech, All Hits, Dangerous, Radio Starz, Dr. Music, yadda, yadda, yadda.... But don't count on it. CB won't even show that they bought anything from SGB... nothing.
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if i was gonna buy a defunct manu.....DK would be it.
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If I was going to buy a defunct manufacturer it would be Sound Choice.
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rickgood wrote: If I was going to buy a defunct manufacturer it would be Sound Choice.  touche'
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Well whatever it turns out to be, if you were to take a vote of every host and every singer, SC would come out on top. Whatever they did right for sound, someone needs to carry it on.
In the meantime, I have stopped buying PHM since I now have the CB HD. I like PHM but just too many songs on their new releases that I don't like and never get sung. If Compuhost isn't going to align themselves with any other manus, I hope CB starts releasing more songs.
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ripman8 wrote: Well whatever it turns out to be, if you were to take a vote of every host and every singer, SC would come out on top. . Amongst the rugrats, yes, thanks to superior marketing of a decent product (credit where it's due). However,I think that the full majority - including the north coastal and south coastal U.S. areas where Karaoke has been longest, and with the densest populations- would disagree. The product is good, not God. Get a grip.
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