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Maybe to shut you up and end your stupid pointless arguments.

Just sayin'.




Not helpful, no matter which "side" you're on....

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I've been told that Wall asked if I would play original mfrs. discs
if someone brought them. I thought I made that clear-
of course I would. BTW- that would include ANY mfr.

The customer comes first. I was kind of surprised
that this was even questioned...

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i didn't follow that either. :dontknow:

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Also will you play original manu discs we might bring?

Never been denied that he won't! As long as it is an original.

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Ah already answered.

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Also will you play original manu discs we might bring?

Never been denied that he won't! As long as it is an original.


Looks like Joe dodged my primary question.

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How much to hire you Joe for a private "cheerleader" party in The Garden State?

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Wall Of Sound wrote:
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Also will you play original manu discs we might bring?

Never been denied that he won't! As long as it is an original.


Looks like Joe dodged my primary question.

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How much to hire you Joe for a private "cheerleader" party in The Garden State?



8) It doesn't deserve a reply, why would any host that disagrees with the cheerleader's every want to do a party for them anywhere? If all I could do is book your lame parties I quit right now!


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Wall Of Sound wrote:
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Also will you play original manu discs we might bring?

Never been denied that he won't! As long as it is an original.


Looks like Joe dodged my primary question.

No he didn't... he's always said he would play discs that customers bring in. It was an unnecessary question.


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c. staley wrote:
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Also will you play original manu discs we might bring?

Never been denied that he won't! As long as it is an original.


Looks like Joe dodged my primary question.

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How much to hire you Joe for a private "cheerleader" party in The Garden State?


No he didn't... he's always said he would play discs that customers bring in. It was an unnecessary question.


There, fixed that for you.

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8) It doesn't deserve a reply, why would any host that disagrees with the cheerleader's every want to do a party for them anywhere? If all I could do is book your lame parties I quit right now!



I'll answer your question in one word: Professionalism.

A karaoke show is not a platform for anyone's agenda.

A businessman with Joe's acumen already can see that doing a party for "them" would make a profit. A gentleman of maturity like Joe can also communicate and even befriend someone whose point of view is different from his own.

Your "hobbyist" perspective on this industry is mildly amusing at best.

You started out on this forum by expressing yourself in a reasonable manner. As I've come to "know" you through your posts, I've formed the opinion that you and I don't operate in the same world. This is because you've stated several times that karaoke is not particularly important to you with regard to your income or preferred occupation. That is not true for me. So, Lone Ranger, as you've said, maybe you'll die or quit this profession before things are ironed out. Either way, you will have very little effect on the outcome. Lately, it seems, you've resorted to conjecture and name calling to support your contention that SC is "the beast". The problem with your "fairy tale" is that your peers on this board are capable of discerning fact from fiction. May I remind you sir, that though we may have a difference of opinion, we are all equals at the onset. We are ALL your peers.

Who knows, despite the way you express yourself here on KS, you may not ever express yourself that way to the general public, certainly not during a show... and that could mean that we've met or I've attended one of your shows and we had a good time, completely oblivious of our difference of opinion.

Regardless of your petulance, how on earth could you imagine that a karaoke party that was booked by and attended by karaoke hosts/kj's could possibly be lame? I tell you what... you get together a group of hosts/kj's to book me where I live and I'll give them half off my rate. Now that would be one-helluva party.

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As far a working a party for you, and your friends, won't interest me at all I have all the work I can handle now, I might be able to send someone I know who is down on his luck. I'm sure he would be treated with the same respect you would show me.


Oh okay, I'm sorry that you are so busy you can not accommodate. Let us know when you need the extra work when you become down on your luck once the karaoke manu's ruin the KJs businesses in the USA as the manu's create monopolies that you believe will eventually happen due to their money making schemes via litigation.

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Wall Of Sound wrote:
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As far a working a party for you, and your friends, won't interest me at all I have all the work I can handle now, I might be able to send someone I know who is down on his luck. I'm sure he would be treated with the same respect you would show me.


Oh okay, I'm sorry that you are so busy you can not accommodate. Let us know when you need the extra work when you become down on your luck once the karaoke manu's ruin the KJs businesses in the USA as the manu's create monopolies that you believe will eventually happen due to their money making schemes via litigation.


:rofl4: and i was just gonna say "shut the he!! up" you are much more eloquent than i.

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OK, since Wall's entire post was re-posted, I got to read all of it.

I have no PERSONAL issue with the "Cheerleaders", which is why I
received so many polite and friendly invitations to the SC meeting
last year- which, by the way, I would have loved to attended if I
could have, as many of the "cheerleaders" know that they have my
respect. Not only as people, but as hosts. We merely disagree
about SC's methods. This, Wall, by itself, is not a reason to
disrespect or dislike the fine people that I have met here.

Therefore, as to the question that you say I "dodged":

I cannot quote without more details such as date, venue,
venue location, and other details, which is why I require a
phone call at the very least ( personal contact is better), and
never quote via e-mail.

However, to answer the real question: I would LOVE
nothing more than to do a party for the great folks that
I have met on this forum, on EITHER side of the
SC methodology issue. Lacking that, I would love to MEET
Athena, Paradigm, MtKaraoke, Lonman, and other
intelligent posters from the "other side", as well as Chip, Bird,
Earthling, Rick, Diafel (especially), and others on my "side".

Here's the fun part: Extremists aside, I think we would have a
great time, resolve certain personal issues, and kinda cool down some.

You see, I KNOW that most of the people that I'm currently debating
are actually top notch because of years of reading non-SC posts here,
on OKJT, ODJT, Fat Sid's, and ( lurking only) on Jolt. SC's crap has made
people who normally would get along well- kinda of grind against each other.

Not only all of that, but to be critiqued by the other professionals here would be an honor, as I'm sure I could learn a lot of things to improve my work from them.

So Wall, give me a venue, location, date, and other details, and I will give
you my price. Fair enough?

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could you imagine a party with all of us together? that really would be awesome. New years pool party in Phoenix anyone?

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Not too many karaoke scene meet ups happen as far as I know. I remember the old defunct JOLT forum had regular meetups yearly (sometimes more) where they'd get 30-40 people from the forum coming up to do a meet & greet and party. I hosted a couple smaller Pacific Northwest meetups (maybe 10 plus dates/spouses), but never got to go any further due to scheduling. This is where I met Matt/Knightshow (RIP), helluva guy!

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Not too many karaoke scene meet ups happen as far as I know. I remember the old defunct JOLT forum had regular meetups yearly (sometimes more) where they'd get 30-40 people from the forum coming up to do a meet & greet and party. I hosted a couple smaller Pacific Northwest meetups (maybe 10 plus dates/spouses), but never got to go any further due to scheduling. This is where I met Matt/Knightshow (RIP), helluva guy!


Yup... From 1999 to 2006, we had an Annual East Coast "JOLT Summit."
1999: Baltimore - Hosted by Bruce and Elizabeth Myers. There were at least 20 of us JOLTers there.
2000: Ohio - Hosted by Julie Saylor. 2nd day of Summit was a 12 hour Karaoke Marathon show.
2001: Texas - (Gulf Coast Summit) Co-Hosted by "Little Joe" and Carey Macik.
2002: Rhode Island - Hosted by Heidi Smith.
2003: Pennsylvania - Hosted by Ed and Karen Gallagher
2004: Richmond, VA - Co-Hosted by Thunder and Smitty.
2005: Connecticut (mini-summit) - Hosted by DJ Suzie Q.
2005: North Carolina - Co-Hosted by Doug Kron and Skid Rowe.
2006: Richmond, VA - Co-Hosted by Thunder and Smitty. This was the biggest attended one we had. We also had all chipped in to fly a special guest (Mandy) out there (it was a surprise for her).
2007: Chicago - Co-hosted by Steve P. and Alma Mendoza.

Also, I believe Tim Duffield (L'il Op) and Michael Valentino had hosted 2 or 3 West Coast Summits between 2000 and 2003.


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Thank you Joe for your sincere response.

I will commiserate with the cheer leading squad & see what we can come up with!

Rah rah!

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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
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As far a working a party for you, and your friends, won't interest me at all I have all the work I can handle now, I might be able to send someone I know who is down on his luck. I'm sure he would be treated with the same respect you would show me.


Oh okay, I'm sorry that you are so busy you can not accommodate. Let us know when you need the extra work when you become down on your luck once the karaoke manu's ruin the KJs businesses in the USA as the manu's create monopolies that you believe will eventually happen due to their money making schemes via litigation.


:rofl4: and i was just gonna say "shut the he!! up" you are much more eloquent than i.



:D If I ever am without work it will be because I no longer think the industry is enjoyable, and I simply quit. All of these legal issues coming years after starting a business are quite disturbing. It's like trying to change the rules of a game after it started. Maybe my views are naive and that I have not been exposed to the harsher side of this business. If I had maybe I would have tried something else. At best I will probably be at this for another 5-7 years. I apologize to others for not sharing the universal view that the answer to the industry problems should be left up solely to the manus. I saw no harm in saying don't feed the beast, since I have seen several times don't feed the troll. I still reserve the right to work for whom I choose.


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8) It doesn't deserve a reply, why would any host that disagrees with the cheerleader's every want to do a party for them anywhere? If all I could do is book your lame parties I quit right now!



I'll answer your question in one word: Professionalism.

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:? I thought I wasn't considered Professional by other hosts because karaoke isn't my sole means of support. That I consider it a hobby/business. If you mean by Professional supporting for pay any group you don't agree with, that would make me a mercenary not a host.

A karaoke show is not a platform for anyone's agenda.

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If that is true then why are all of the cheerleaders making such a big deal about being certified? Aren't they pressing their agendas as well as representing the manus interests? I don't have an agenda other that I would like to left alone to run a hobby/business that has been going strong over 15 years now, and counting.

A businessman with Joe's acumen already can see that doing a party for "them" would make a profit. A gentleman of maturity like Joe can also communicate and even befriend someone whose point of view is different from his own.

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Joe is free to work for whom ever he wants to. I don't think it would be an enjoyable experience for me to host such an event. It is true my views on the state of the industry is different from a great many hosts. I have not had as many bad experiences as the rest it would seem. I guess I should apologize for not sharing the idea that 2500 hosts nation wide are going to meet the karaoke needs of 300 million Americans. I still reserve the right to work for whom I chose to.

Your "hobbyist" perspective on this industry is mildly amusing at best.

You started out on this forum by expressing yourself in a reasonable manner. As I've come to "know" you through your posts, I've formed the opinion that you and I don't operate in the same world. This is because you've stated several times that karaoke is not particularly important to you with regard to your income or preferred occupation. That is not true for me. So, Lone Ranger, as you've said, maybe you'll die or quit this profession before things are ironed out. Either way, you will have very little effect on the outcome. Lately, it seems, you've resorted to conjecture and name calling to support your contention that SC is "the beast". The problem with your "fairy tale" is that your peers on this board are capable of discerning fact from fiction. May I remind you sir, that though we may have a difference of opinion, we are all equals at the onset. We are ALL your peers.

[quote+"The Lone Ranger"] Maybe it's so amusing because I find this much to do about nothing. I'm not so tied to this problem financially like the rest of the hosts, that I can step back, and not get as emotional about it. It is true that we don't have the same experiences and that I don't see things the way you do. I thought this forum was for the exchange of ideas. I don't think that I have called a fellow host a name, I might have called the manus a few and I have been corrected for this by Lonman. I guess they are off limits to. As far a feeding the beast I thought it was ok, since I have seen don't feed the Troll quite a bit, would that be more acceptable? The fact is that the manus are seeking to bring all hosts legal, illegal and everything in between under the sphere of influence, and charge them all. I don't consider myself your peer since I'm but a hobby/business person. My opinion doesn't carry as much weight, since I have not given my whole life to karaoke. I can see where all these changes have had an effect on all the full time hosts. It might in time even effect people like myself that do it first of all as a means of artistic expression, and second to make money. I guess I do live in a fairytale world where all hosts can get along and help each other out. The reality of the world and the condition of the economy today will prove this last fairytale to be a myth.

Who knows, despite the way you express yourself here on KS, you may not ever express yourself that way to the general public, certainly not during a show... and that could mean that we've met or I've attended one of your shows and we had a good time, completely oblivious of our difference of opinion.

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The general public does not care about the things that matter to most hosts. They come to the show to forget their troubles and not to have others lay their problems on them. It is first and always entertainment. It's just when we get to these industry questions the the passions seem to rise. I know that the thought of blanket licensing of all have angered some hosts on this forum, it was just an idea. Now faced with multiple audits, fees, certificates, and yearly checkups, I don't think one license is such a bad idea.

Regardless of your petulance, how on earth could you imagine that a karaoke party that was booked by and attended by karaoke hosts/kj's could possibly be lame? I tell you what... you get together a group of hosts/kj's to book me where I live and I'll give them half off my rate. Now that would be one-helluva party.



:D You are right the only lame person there would be me because I wouldn't be enjoying my self. The host has to be up and the spark that gets the party started, if his heart isn't in it then the party is a dud.


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could you imagine a party with all of us together? that really would be awesome. New years pool party in Phoenix anyone?

Yeah, metal detectors and frisked at the door for weapons......


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