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I would like to know the answer to that as well.

Show me.

The information I keep hearing is more to the tune of what KaraokeJerry just posted (which I quoted from), where SC (and possibly CB) are saying that a Venue should only hire those who are certified.

Personally, it'll be a cold day in Hell before I pay these manufacturers more money for something that I already purchased legally (I've already spent a ton of money on their products for over 15 years now), just to receive a BS piece of paper that says "C.O.A." on it. Since this would be based on SC's (and/or CB's) say-so, and they are a far cry from being a Legal Law Enforcement Agency, as Joe has stated (and Chip even advised), I would probably seek legal counsel to start a civil suit against SC and/or CB based on damages to me if I were not hired for a gig (just based on that issue). BESIDES... who are SC and CB, to dictate to a Venue who is legal and who isn't???!!!

Are you working on some sort of commission with SC, CB, and the POOP???

And why should I pay them anything???!!! I already paid them for their product (which I have been purchasing for over 15 years now). As for the advertising angle, again, why should I pay them anything to have my name listed in a site that MOST VENUES wouldn't even know the first thing about (let alone think to search for a KJ in their site)?

If I'm going to be listed in a site, it would more likely be a site that people with some modicum of common sense would think to use... like http://www.yellowpages.com or even http://www.craigslist.org (which most people have heard of). As I have said a few times before (in other topic threads), the use of the Internet is only as good as the person who is using it. If they don't know how to search for something, they're not going to find it.

Technicalities and other laws (which don't apply here in any case) aside, my made up analogy works perfectly here in order to demonstrate the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. In such a case, the LETTER OF THE LAW was meant to stop people from driving on the sidewalk and therefore hindering and endangering pedestrian traffic. The SPIRIT OF THE LAW is meant to protect pedestrians, but not at the cost of causing an hindrance to those with disabilities.
My ANALOGY is and was not meant to be taken literally. It was only a simple, easy to comprehend EXAMPLE. I really didn't think I'd have to explain something so simple as that to you and I'm sorry you didn't understand it. I'll try harder next time.

a·nal·o·gy (-nl-j)
n. pl. a·nal·o·gies
1.
a. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.
b. A comparison based on such similarity.


But nice try.

No.

Are you calling SC & CB poop? Isn't name calling against the posting rules here?

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Put on your spectacles... Diafel never stated "Motor Vehicles" (as in automobile)... She specifically said "motorized vehicles" which will include wheelchairs...

Maybe in Nova Scotia a motorized wheelchair IS a "motor vehicle" but the rest of the world may not agree.
Showing everyone how smart you are? (Nice try.)

Obviously some don't read and some just twist to their own agenda but nice try.

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"Some don't read?" You finally got that part right and we'll point out that the first one to miss that whole reading exercise was you...
Here's the quote:


Some people can't read and will do anything to be "right"....
(yeah, "nice try" but you're wrong again.)

I would imagine that you would classify snowmobiles, jetskis, ATV's and motorcycles as "motor vehicles" too?

Well let's see, skidoos and ATVs are off road vehicles, jetskis are watercraft, and motorcycles are motor vehicles. But nice try.

And if one wants to use an analogy at least make it realistic.

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That may be.... in Nova Scotia.

However, here in Michigan, a state in the United States, a "motorcycle" is NOT (watch my lips.... ) is NOT classified, NOR is it recognized by the State of Michigan as a "motor VEHICLE" even though you must purchase special plates, have an endorsement on your license, insure it etc.... Here in this portion of America, a motor vehicle can only be a passenger vehicle or a truck that has at least 4 wheels and is legal to drive on a highway. A motorcycle does not have at least 4 wheels.

Sorry, but you are once again attempting to apply Canadian law to the United States.

Nice Try.


and just in case you are wondering, they aren't in Missouri either:

I'll let you scour the rest of the states.....

Isn't that the whole game plan for the manus? They are out to recover any monies they can, from whom ever they can. The pirates by renting them, the new products they come up with. The legal hosts by requiring that they have prove they are 1:1. Now because of their dwindling resources they are charging for audits and whatever other fees they can come up with. I think that hosts should wake up to the fact, that they are going to pay one way or another if the manus triumph, and gain complete control of what is left of the karaoke industry. What we have to decide is if we want to continue to be independent owner operators of our own business, or franchise holders of the manus, who allow us to continue to work, probably more and more for them.

And a motorized BICYCLE is NOT a motorcycle, just ask your local DMV. But nice try.

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And it's not a "motor vehicle" in Michigan either....

Notice that the term "motorcycle" was absent from the Missouri DMV?

Pretty lame timberlea, not even a nice try on this one.

Here is WA a motorcycle is considers a motor vehicle - legal to drive on the roads/highways as long as it meets federal & state requirements for motor vehicles.

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That would cover automobiles, semi-trucks and other trucks and surprise - motorcycles. Just because it is not mentioned by name doesn't mean it is not included. But nice try.

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It sort of like when people say "karaoke" isn't in the Copyright Act but it is covered under audio and visual aspects of the Act.

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Re-read the statement, and you will see that I did NOT call SC or CB POOP...

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Personal Attacks, (Dip, moron, flake, etc) or posting personal data, (Names, locations)

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You must be talking "spirit of the law" and not the "word of the law?"..... (kind of put yourself right back into that trap didn't you?)

You are welcome to drag up whatever you like, however in Michigan, motorcycles are not "motor vehicles" and in the case of an accident, "No Fault Insurance" attendant care will NOT pay for your nurse if you get into an accident on a motorcycle that does NOT involve a "motor vehicle."

So in Michigan, if you get in an accident with a motorcycle, you'd best hit a car. The case I worked on was an accident involving 2 motorcycles and attendant care was not allowed because of the state law. (i.e. your bike gets fixed, your body might not)

The jury was not happy having to give this verdict, but that's not for them to decide, the jury decides "matters of fact" and the judge decides "matters of law."

So they don't rule on the "spirit of the law"? TY

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