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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:08 am 
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With all the talk about the KJ Media Pro HD with 11,000 Chartbuster songs I tried to find a listing of all their songs. I see all their box sets when I go to the website and even when I type in artists or song names I get whatever the box set they are on.....but I can't find a list of all their songs. So, is there a listing of all CB songs that I can review to see if this is something worthwhile for the price?


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What makes it worthwhile is you don't have to have all of their songs especially if you already have a version that you like of said song. To be able to say "i'll check to see if it is available" instead of "No I don't have it but I'll see if I can get it after the show." when someone asks you for a song not in your book. If it is in Chartbuster's catalog then all you do is use one of your credits you bought just so you could unlock a song like that for use right then and there.

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With all the talk about the KJ Media Pro HD with 11,000 Chartbuster songs I tried to find a listing of all their songs. I see all their box sets when I go to the website and even when I type in artists or song names I get whatever the box set they are on.....but I can't find a list of all their songs. So, is there a listing of all CB songs that I can review to see if this is something worthwhile for the price?


From karaokeware's website:[url]
http://www.karaokeware.com/kjmprohd.html[/url]

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Can I print a listing of all KJ Media Pro HD selections?

Absolutely! CompuHost offers the ability to export a listing in the industry standard CSV (Comma Separated Values) format. The CSV format is compatible with most spreadsheet applications, as well as FastTracks V2 SongBook Creator (Sold separately)


But I was unable to find a list their or on CB's site.

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With all the talk about the KJ Media Pro HD with 11,000 Chartbuster songs I tried to find a listing of all their songs. I see all their box sets when I go to the website and even when I type in artists or song names I get whatever the box set they are on.....but I can't find a list of all their songs. So, is there a listing of all CB songs that I can review to see if this is something worthwhile for the price?



Just look at it this way, you will have access to all the newest song tracks they produce with updates so the list will be ever changing.

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I guess I couldn't find it because it's not there.... Just think it's odd their songlist is not anywhere to be found.... Thanks for the help!!!


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That's interesting.... all 11k huh?

Does it include ANY of these songs;
travelin' soldier
Gunpowder and Lead
Why Haven't I Heard From You
Shut Up And Drive
Poor Me
Hole in my Head
Just another woman in love
Lesson in Goodbye
Anything but Mine

Or any of the other NINETY TWO (92) songs that they were sued for in 2009 (and completed in May 2010 - ONE YEAR AGO) and received not only a judgment against them for $101,000.00 PLUS attorney fees ($3,000.00).

The judgment was a default judgment... apparently, CB didn't bother to respond to the suit....

Here's a copy:
http://dkusa.com/CHB/BluewaterCB.pdf

The last action was recorded by the clerk:
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ORDER: For the reasons set forth within this order, Plaintiff's Second Motion for Default Judgment [12] is Granted. Plaintiff is Awarded $101,000.00 in damages against the Defendant for copyright infringement of the 101 songs at issue. Further, Defendant is Permanently Enjoined from manufacturing, distributing, marketing, offering, selling, disposing of, licensing, leasing, transferring, displaying, advertising or reproducing any works derived from or copies from Plaintiff's copyrighted compositions. Finally, Plaintiff is Awarded its attorney's fees in an amount to be determined in accordance with Local Rule 54.01(b). Signed by District Judge William J. Haynes, Jr on 4/7/10. (dt)


It's interesting to note that since 1989, Chartbuster has been in court
24 times:
ONCE as a Plaintiff

THREE TIMES as a "third party defendant"

TWENTY TIMES as a defendant.


Almost all the suits against them have been for copyright infringement (pirating).


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I guess I couldn't find it because it's not there.... Just think it's odd their songlist is not anywhere to be found.... Thanks for the help!!!


I don't know when they added it, or it may have been missed earlier, but it's there now. There's a link to the catalog on the KJ Media Pro page on Karaokeware.com
http://www.karaokeware.com/kjmprohd.html


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Spotchecking the list, these songs do NOT appear on it:

Travelin' Soldier
Gunpowder & Lead
Why Haven't I Heard From You
Poor Me
Hole In My Head
Anything but mine
Just another woman in love
Lesson in Goodbye

So you'll have to buy them (and most likely lots of others) from another source.


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[quote="c. staley"]Spotchecking the list, these songs do NOT appear on it:

Travelin' Soldier
Gunpowder & Lead
Why Haven't I Heard From You
Poor Me
Hole In My Head
Anything but mine
Just another woman in love
Lesson in Goodbye

So you'll have to buy them (and most likely lots of others) from another source.[/quote]

I noticed that Gunpowder & Lead was not on my KJMP drive...went and looked on the Chartbuster site and that track is now missing from their lisitings for all their releases that included it.


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From karaokeware's website:[url]
http://www.karaokeware.com/kjmprohd.html[/url]


And yet these same listing are not available in FastTracks, their own product. They also still don't have the GEM series in their database.

I love CH, but Invicion has dropped the ball when it comes to FastTracks.


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If you want to do books with the GEM series, Music Book Deluxe has it in their database. They even have a decent renamer program to rename you files.

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Bazza wrote:
hiteck wrote:
From karaokeware's website:[url]
http://www.karaokeware.com/kjmprohd.html[/url]


And yet these same listing are not available in FastTracks, their own product. They also still don't have the GEM series in their database.

I love CH, but Invicion has dropped the ball when it comes to FastTracks.


The KJ Media Pro HD listings will constantly be changing, some new songs added, others deleted. How would you suggest they add them to FastTracks? CH allows you to export a current Media Pro listing directly from CH, formatted to import directly into FT. I think they did their job!

The GEM series, just maybe they haven't gotten the information from SC?


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tbreen wrote:
The KJ Media Pro HD listings will constantly be changing, some new songs added, others deleted. How would you suggest they add them to FastTracks?


The same way the monthly CB discs are added. Via the Fasttracks, "Auto Update" feature built into the program. Are you suggesting that monthly changes are too much for them to handle?

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CH allows you to export a current Media Pro listing directly from CH, formatted to import directly into FT. I think they did their job!


Hardly. Is this a partnership or not? What good is a Fasttracks Update subscription if the customer must do all the legwork?

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The GEM series, just maybe they haven't gotten the information from SC?


If you are going to promote a product that claims to have up-to-date listings, and charge a subscription for those listings, I would think that the two largest products from the two biggest manufactures would be a no brainer. Excel spreadsheets of the entire GEM series have been publicly available for almost a year now.


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Bazza wrote:
Excel spreadsheets of the entire GEM series have been publicly available for almost a year now.


And a convenient book:

http://dkusa.com/GemArtists.pdf


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tbreen wrote:
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The KJ Media Pro HD listings will constantly be changing, some new songs added, others deleted.

How would songs be deleted? If you bought a hard drive from Chartbuster, then all those songs would be available on that drive for unlocking - would they not. If CB needed to delete a song due to licensing, are they going to rely on the honor system for kj's to NOT unlock that particular song?

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The KJ Media Pro HD listings will constantly be changing, some new songs added, others deleted.

How would songs be deleted? If you bought a hard drive from Chartbuster, then all those songs would be available on that drive for unlocking - would they not. If CB needed to delete a song due to licensing, are they going to rely on the honor system for kj's to NOT unlock that particular song?


They should have not been included on the drive to start with. If you purchase a hard drive from Chartbuster in 2011, the court order and judgment against them from May 2010 prevents them from selling AND/OR distributing any of the 101 songs listed in the complaint, no matter what the form is.

So theorectically, the song(s) shouldn't be on the hard drive at all.


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If CB needed to delete a song due to licensing, are they going to rely on the honor system for kj's to NOT unlock that particular song?


That would be kind of difficult, as neither CB no any other karaoke producer will release a list of unlicensed songs that they have produced and sold.

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Bazza wrote:
tbreen wrote:
The KJ Media Pro HD listings will constantly be changing, some new songs added, others deleted. How would you suggest they add them to FastTracks?


The same way the monthly CB discs are added. Via the Fasttracks, "Auto Update" feature built into the program. Are you suggesting that monthly changes are too much for them to handle?

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CH allows you to export a current Media Pro listing directly from CH, formatted to import directly into FT. I think they did their job!


Hardly. Is this a partnership or not? What good is a Fasttracks Update subscription if the customer must do all the legwork?

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The GEM series, just maybe they haven't gotten the information from SC?


If you are going to promote a product that claims to have up-to-date listings, and charge a subscription for those listings, I would think that the two largest products from the two biggest manufactures would be a no brainer. Excel spreadsheets of the entire GEM series have been publicly available for almost a year now.



There is quite a difference between the GEM series and KJ Media Pro! You either OWN the discs included with the different GEM series, or NOT! With Kj Media Pro, the selections are AVAILABLE to you, you don't own them until you selectively purchase each one. So what good would a listing in FT do, are you going to OWN all 11,000+ songs? If KJ Media Pro was a fixed selection such as the GEM series, or for that matter ANY CDROM based collection, then yes, they could, and should be available in FT. But this is NOT the case.


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tbreen wrote:
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The KJ Media Pro HD listings will constantly be changing, some new songs added, others deleted.

How would songs be deleted? If you bought a hard drive from Chartbuster, then all those songs would be available on that drive for unlocking - would they not. If CB needed to delete a song due to licensing, are they going to rely on the honor system for kj's to NOT unlock that particular song?


They should have not been included on the drive to start with. If you purchase a hard drive from Chartbuster in 2011, the court order and judgment against them from May 2010 prevents them from selling AND/OR distributing any of the 101 songs listed in the complaint, no matter what the form is.

So theorectically, the song(s) shouldn't be on the hard drive at all.


What songs are you referring to? You've already stated that after checking the list yourself, you're unable to find the songs eluded to in the judgement. So no, they're NOT "included anyways". Here we go again, another legal topic...


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Lonman wrote:
tbreen wrote:
Bazza wrote:
The KJ Media Pro HD listings will constantly be changing, some new songs added, others deleted.

How would songs be deleted? If you bought a hard drive from Chartbuster, then all those songs would be available on that drive for unlocking - would they not. If CB needed to delete a song due to licensing, are they going to rely on the honor system for kj's to NOT unlock that particular song?


Don't really know. Possibly while downloading New Releases, or updating credits?


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