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jclaydon
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toqer wrote: Thanks for the compliment JC.
I've come to the conclusion though that there is no definitive way to make a rotation algorythm that's "always perfect" It's impossible, given that there are so many unpredictability in a night (such as number of singers, when they show up, etc)
10 years of watching rotation, and it's making me think of fractals for some reason. Repeatable patterns with slight variances. Change a few variables here and there, you end up with a completely different picture.
I'm sort of tempted to make some sort of visualiser for this. Would be neat to see a Forrest of fractal trees grow based on the history of how singers interacted with the system. Nothing particularly useful for anybody, just something for me to look at while I zen out.
and you never answered that pm I sent you. Didn't know you were using us either. I apologize but I haven't been on this board in almost 6 months, altho i don't see any pm and the last time I visited your website was long enough ago that i don't have a clue when it was. I think your new jukebox system was JUST being set up. Man i would have paid good money to have access to that but at the moment, its a completely moot point because i recently lost the only gig I had but i still use the plugin when I want to practice karaoke. Now if only i were competent enough to find a way to record vocals that are perfectly synced with the music track so that I could add effects and compression after the fact. ok now that I'm completely off topic.. where was I
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DannyG2006
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Bazza wrote: I understand Danny, but that doesn't achieve the goal of toting around one drive. I have limited USB ports and really don't want to mess with a hub. I am asking if the encrypted (locked) songs are somehow tied to the physical drive you purchase, or if I can move them (file structure and all) to another device for future unlocking. The drive itself may be serialized as well to prevent, for example, Rumbolt from letting his buddy copy the drive..then all they have to do is purchase credits. Then again maybe they don't care about that.
If Compuhost/Chart buster opened this up so that you could EITHER buy a drive and have "at the bar unlock capability" OR internet download from a central server somewhere, it would be a grand slam. The technology is the same really, just the location of the files changes. Yes it does. you just tote the KJ Media Pro drive and that is it. Unless you have too many songs for that drive.
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jclaydon wrote:
Now if only i were competent enough to find a way to record vocals that are perfectly synced with the music track so that I could add effects and compression after the fact.
1) Convert mp3 backing tracks to wav, or just use full quality wav files to begin with. The "on-the-fly" decode of mp3 files introduces subtle timing errors that will drive you crazy trying to apply time based FX. 2) use an audio interface with better AD/DA than what's on stock "built-in" soundcards. Better clocks, better timing, better sound. 3) Use DAW software like Reaper, Cakewalk, Ardour, Pro tools or Garageband. You'll get the fine grained control with a less awkward interface than Audacity.
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CB might want to update their FAQ's Quote: Are hard drives loaded with Chartbuster Karaoke songs legal?
Chartbuster Karaoke does not authorize or allow the sale of pre-loaded hard disk drives. Any hard disk drive you see for sale and loaded with our content is illegal. We do allow users to follow our media-shifting policy, as listed above.
If you believe that a business or individual is selling or using Chartbuster Karaoke tracks in this manner, you may report them by visiting IllegalKaraoke.com and inputting the relevant information (you can report violations anonymously). 
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rumbolt
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hiteck wrote: CB might want to update their FAQ's Quote: Are hard drives loaded with Chartbuster Karaoke songs legal?
Chartbuster Karaoke does not authorize or allow the sale of pre-loaded hard disk drives. Any hard disk drive you see for sale and loaded with our content is illegal. We do allow users to follow our media-shifting policy, as listed above.
If you believe that a business or individual is selling or using Chartbuster Karaoke tracks in this manner, you may report them by visiting IllegalKaraoke.com and inputting the relevant information (you can report violations anonymously). I think the differance is that what is on the KJ Media Pro HD cannot be used without CB's proprietary software that really doesn't make it a harddrive with a bunch of unauthorized copies of their works.
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rumbolt
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exweedfarmer wrote: For rotation I'm a sing-1 bring-1 guy (computerized of course.) That way you only have people in rotation that actually want to sing. New singers at the end of the line, no bar hoppers please.
But back on topic, I think CB is making a mistake binding their hard drive to to CH. Compuhost probably pitched them the idea looking to make bank on increased sales of their software (SMART) but a lot of folks like me are going to pass because of the increased price. I don't need CH. I've never used it due to my pig headedness and complete lack of interest in software other than my own. I think they would sell a lot more hard drives/songs if they threw in the credit/encryption software free. The software is almost free considering they include 50 credits (value $1.70 each). That take the cost of the software down to what, $115.00 and that includes a 500 gig hardrive (CH files only used 50 gig of space leaving 450 gig for my own use) at a retail value of what $85.00 so you are actually paying $30.00 for their software. Pretty cheap software if you ask me. So if the software designer and code writers want to profit from their design, is that a bad thing.
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rumbolt wrote: exweedfarmer wrote: For rotation I'm a sing-1 bring-1 guy (computerized of course.) That way you only have people in rotation that actually want to sing. New singers at the end of the line, no bar hoppers please.
But back on topic, I think CB is making a mistake binding their hard drive to to CH. Compuhost probably pitched them the idea looking to make bank on increased sales of their software (SMART) but a lot of folks like me are going to pass because of the increased price. I don't need CH. I've never used it due to my pig headedness and complete lack of interest in software other than my own. I think they would sell a lot more hard drives/songs if they threw in the credit/encryption software free. The software is almost free considering they include 50 credits (value $1.70 each). That take the cost of the software down to what, $115.00 and that includes a 500 gig hardrive (CH files only used 50 gig of space leaving 450 gig for my own use) at a retail value of what $85.00 so you are actually paying $30.00 for their software. Pretty cheap software if you ask me. So if the software designer and code writers want to profit from their design, is that a bad thing. your figures are incorrect.. If your starting from scratch you have to buy the hardrive AND compuhost so let's use your figures, except you have to start from $380. 380-170 = $210 Which means the software costs extactly the same and your paying an extra $40 for the hard drive
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DannyG2006
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Big deal. The software from compyhost is worth the money.
No it does not play videos well- Big deal. Only if you use a lot of videos. I don't so it's not a loss to me. It all comes down to personal preferences. I prefer Compuhost over any other software. You forgot to add in the Compuhost Kiosk into your figures and/or Fast Tracks for that matter. Still cheaper than buying any hosting program, Songlist program and a whole library of songs off of discs. Initially it will cost 179.99+199.99+99.99-85=$394.97. Still not a deal breaker for me if I was starting out.
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Any way you want to slice it, it's a great deal for compuhost users. We already own the software but even if we didn't,,,,,,,considering it's one of the best if not the best software out there. As far as the rotation features it does do what I need. Simple to follow. And it doesn't break my fingers, wrist or arm if I have to move the curser over the scroll down bar and click once or twice to move someone. 2 seconds, done deal! No reason not to buy a program IMO.
Key changer, tempo changer, lyrics speed changer, audiobits, videobits, fillertunes, eq, performer history, scrolling marquee w/promo trailer, toggle performer active/inactive button, autoplay rotation, autorecord, safeguard stop button (no more accidentally stopping a performance), I could go on but won't.
So after looking at the pros and cons, buying the hd with the free credits and future cost savings of not buying songs I don't want, pretty sweet deal, I figure it will pay for itself inside of a year easily.
Can't wait to try it out next Friday and Saturday nights!
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just curious, is this available to anyone or just kjs? i think i understand that the only way to use it is with compuhost. is this correct? we karaoke at a lot of get togethers and our library is very limited. this sounds good. almost any song one would choose to sing. also probably more participation. thanks, tman.
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jclaydon wrote: rumbolt wrote: exweedfarmer wrote: For rotation I'm a sing-1 bring-1 guy (computerized of course.) That way you only have people in rotation that actually want to sing. New singers at the end of the line, no bar hoppers please.
But back on topic, I think CB is making a mistake binding their hard drive to to CH. Compuhost probably pitched them the idea looking to make bank on increased sales of their software (SMART) but a lot of folks like me are going to pass because of the increased price. I don't need CH. I've never used it due to my pig headedness and complete lack of interest in software other than my own. I think they would sell a lot more hard drives/songs if they threw in the credit/encryption software free. The software is almost free considering they include 50 credits (value $1.70 each). That take the cost of the software down to what, $115.00 and that includes a 500 gig hardrive (CH files only used 50 gig of space leaving 450 gig for my own use) at a retail value of what $85.00 so you are actually paying $30.00 for their software. Pretty cheap software if you ask me. So if the software designer and code writers want to profit from their design, is that a bad thing. your figures are incorrect.. If your starting from scratch you have to buy the hardrive AND compuhost so let's use your figures, except you have to start from $380. 380-170 = $210 Which means the software costs extactly the same and your paying an extra $40 for the hard drive I did not include the cost of Compuhost in the equation since the discussion was the expense of the Media HD only so I was correct. And for those that choose to use another program besides Compuhost then any of the value of the Host program or the HD is moot.
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Tman31855 wrote: just curious, is this available to anyone or just kjs? i think i understand that the only way to use it is with compuhost. is this correct? we karaoke at a lot of get togethers and our library is very limited. this sounds good. almost any song one would choose to sing. also probably more participation. thanks, tman. Anyone can purchase this HD but it will nly work with Compuhost (full program). It will not work with Compuhost demo.
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Tman31855 wrote: just curious, is this available to anyone or just kjs? i think i understand that the only way to use it is with compuhost. is this correct? we karaoke at a lot of get togethers and our library is very limited. this sounds good. almost any song one would choose to sing. also probably more participation. thanks, tman. Anyone can buy a drive, they just want the money. You have to have compuhost to unlock the songs but after that you can run them on any player. I think that's what I read anyway.
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DannyG2006 wrote: Bazza wrote: I am asking if the encrypted (locked) songs are somehow tied to the physical drive you purchase, or if I can move them (file structure and all) to another device for future unlocking. The drive itself may be serialized as well to prevent, for example, Rumbolt from letting his buddy copy the drive..then all they have to do is purchase credits. Then again maybe they don't care about that. Yes it does. you just tote the KJ Media Pro drive and that is it. Unless you have too many songs for that drive. "Yes it does"....what? I don't understand what you are saying. Yes the songs are tied to the drive? There is no way I could fit all my music onto their drive, AND still house the 11,000 CB encrypted songs. Hence my original question. Can I move the encrypted songs to another device for future unlocking?
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Bazza wrote: DannyG2006 wrote: Bazza wrote: I am asking if the encrypted (locked) songs are somehow tied to the physical drive you purchase, or if I can move them (file structure and all) to another device for future unlocking. The drive itself may be serialized as well to prevent, for example, Rumbolt from letting his buddy copy the drive..then all they have to do is purchase credits. Then again maybe they don't care about that. Yes it does. you just tote the KJ Media Pro drive and that is it. Unless you have too many songs for that drive. "Yes it does"....what? I don't understand what you are saying. Yes the songs are tied to the drive? There is no way I could fit all my music onto their drive, AND still house the 11,000 CB encrypted songs. Hence my original question. Can I move the encrypted songs to another device for future unlocking? Wow, how much music do you have? This is the one thing that "could" be an issue. I know mine will fit but for now since I got a new Inspiron, I have my music on the laptop drive.
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Does anyone know what happens if the hard drive fails? Maybe this was covered somewhere in the 7 pages of post and I missed it. Do you have to start over and loose your credits?
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According to the manual, you may lose credits you have withdrawn from your account, which is why they recommend you only withdraw what you believe you will realistically need for a specific show.
There is nothing I can find in the faq or manual about replacing the songs that are still locked if there is a drive failure, but i imagine CB wouldn't have a problem with sending u a new drive for cost if they are serialized *ie u just can't re-download the catalog to a different drive the next time you connect for updates*
if you want to know for sure, I suggest contacting chartbuster directly
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Bazza wrote: DannyG2006 wrote: Bazza wrote: I am asking if the encrypted (locked) songs are somehow tied to the physical drive you purchase, or if I can move them (file structure and all) to another device for future unlocking. The drive itself may be serialized as well to prevent, for example, Rumbolt from letting his buddy copy the drive..then all they have to do is purchase credits. Then again maybe they don't care about that. Yes it does. you just tote the KJ Media Pro drive and that is it. Unless you have too many songs for that drive. "Yes it does"....what? I don't understand what you are saying. Yes the songs are tied to the drive? There is no way I could fit all my music onto their drive, AND still house the 11,000 CB encrypted songs. Hence my original question. Can I move the encrypted songs to another device for future unlocking? Why do you want to store your songs on the KJ Media drive? In fact, they explicitly recommend against that, since if the drive fails, the songs you've paid for are gone, and they will not responsible. As part of the setup, CH gives you the opportunity to tell it where you want your unlocked songs stored. I've just selected the same folder as my ripped songs. Simple. I'll keep a backup (allowed one backup), just as I always have.
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tbreen wrote: Bazza wrote: DannyG2006 wrote: Bazza wrote: I am asking if the encrypted (locked) songs are somehow tied to the physical drive you purchase, or if I can move them (file structure and all) to another device for future unlocking. The drive itself may be serialized as well to prevent, for example, Rumbolt from letting his buddy copy the drive..then all they have to do is purchase credits. Then again maybe they don't care about that. Yes it does. you just tote the KJ Media Pro drive and that is it. Unless you have too many songs for that drive. "Yes it does"....what? I don't understand what you are saying. Yes the songs are tied to the drive? There is no way I could fit all my music onto their drive, AND still house the 11,000 CB encrypted songs. Hence my original question. Can I move the encrypted songs to another device for future unlocking? Why do you want to store your songs on the KJ Media drive? In fact, they explicitly recommend against that, since if the drive fails, the songs you've paid for are gone, and they will not responsible. As part of the setup, CH gives you the opportunity to tell it where you want your unlocked songs stored. I've just selected the same folder as my ripped songs. Simple. I'll keep a backup (allowed one backup), just as I always have. He probably wants to limit the amount of external drives in use to one drive.
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tbreen wrote: Bazza wrote: DannyG2006 wrote: Bazza wrote: I am asking if the encrypted (locked) songs are somehow tied to the physical drive you purchase, or if I can move them (file structure and all) to another device for future unlocking. The drive itself may be serialized as well to prevent, for example, Rumbolt from letting his buddy copy the drive..then all they have to do is purchase credits. Then again maybe they don't care about that. Yes it does. you just tote the KJ Media Pro drive and that is it. Unless you have too many songs for that drive. "Yes it does"....what? I don't understand what you are saying. Yes the songs are tied to the drive? There is no way I could fit all my music onto their drive, AND still house the 11,000 CB encrypted songs. Hence my original question. Can I move the encrypted songs to another device for future unlocking? Why do you want to store your songs on the KJ Media drive? In fact, they explicitly recommend against that, since if the drive fails, the songs you've paid for are gone, and they will not responsible. As part of the setup, CH gives you the opportunity to tell it where you want your unlocked songs stored. I've just selected the same folder as my ripped songs. Simple. I'll keep a backup (allowed one backup), just as I always have. What he's asking is if the drive can be copied over to a larger drive so only 1 external drive would need to be hooked up instead of 2. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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