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Since this was my thread I just wanna say, I'm ok with the debates. I'm seriously considering buying this program. I want to look at it from every possible angle though, I don't want to wait too long as songs I am buying now may be available on the HD and I don't have to have the other songs (that I don't want to buy!!!) that are on the discs. Since I'm pretty naive to computer software, the guts, hackers, yada yada,,,,, can a hacker get in my system now if I have this?

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His criticism of you not reading his post is on target. What he said is no help at all -- anyone capable of doing the crack knows all this anyway. Maybe you don't know it, or the majority of people here, but I doubt you could perform the crack anyway. I might have a chance of doing it, but none of what toqer said is news to me. As he said, the people who would do it know all this without needing us to tell them. It is elementary.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Yeah, that thought hit me this morning. What's the point of hacking this hard drive when all of these songs are on the internet for free anyway?



I totally agree. A month or so ago a singer was trying to talk our KJ into selling him a copy of her hard drive. She wouldn't. So one of the first things I did after seeing this thread was send him the link for the KJ Media Pro HD. This guy is not a real pirate, he just didn't know how to get his hands on a large number of songs without ripping CDs. He just wants them for his home. This is exactly what he needs and I expect him to buy it or get a toqer style lecture from me on piracy.

This in no way increases your computer's vulnerability. The best thing you can do with your karaoke computer is keep it off the internet as much as possible and this hd is designed with that in mind.

Don't drive your car, it might get in an accident. Keep it off all roads, don't bother teaching yourself good driving techniques.

mckyj57 Thanks for your refreshing input. It's good to know a few folks here understand I'm not pointing out the tech flaws to be sinister.

Just FYI, to everyone else.

I sent an e-mail detailing everything to (orders at chartbusters.) Not sure if it'll get to Norbert, but in addition to a brief explanation on how encryption works, I also brought up other's with way more resources than him have sought the holy grail of offline authentication, and have failed miserably (MPAA thought that DVD and Blueray were the silver bullet, using similar schemes, and were hacked)

Again, I'm not doing this to be sinister.. Talking about possible vulnerabilities with others is a modern computer security practice to ensure systems are more secure. Point out the flaws, fix them, and the system becomes more secure.

If anyone wants to make sure Norbert gets the message, you can PM me his direct email address.

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

Yesterday, I got the last of the peanuts planted.

This morning, I picked 2 gallons of my own organically grown blueberries and started a batch of homemade wine.

Heaven help the neophytes, I sure hope you don't provide tech support for autokdj.

Sweet, I just planted my pumpkins and corn for our families yearly pumpkin patch. Nothing more fun than riding on the back of a ford 1510, getting a farmers tan, and blowing mud out of your nose at the end of a fine day of discing crops. (It's always a fight for who gets to drive the tractor, usually one of the older uncles or my dad does it)

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=37.0 ... 7&t=h&z=19

That's our spread. We *just* moved our grow operations there last year, so no updated photos of the it from the air. (Before that, we still had property in the greater SJ area, this is a 2 hour drive up dirt roads)

Autokdj 2.0 is free, if I give folks support, it's out of pocket, or till I lose patience. Can't complain about that. (New version isn't free, but we're not going to release it as "Software for the KJ", We're releasing it as a "automated karaoke jukebox system for venues")

Lots of folks will back me up in saying, even the "free" version stacks up to everything else out there, if you're willing to put the work into it.

Bit easier to support something when you've done the OS install, know everything that's running on the box, box is securely locked down both physically and in terms of user/app permissions, and the venue is paying you $100@day to keep your computer equipment (no speakers) there.

(edit: we don't actually disc anymore, we use a roto tiller attachment hooked up to the power transfer.)

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

That's a tiller attached to the back of my Kubota. I started out with a used Ford but when it was time for a new one nothing in my price range with an American name and they were all mfged outside the U.S. anyway.

A tiller on a tractor beats the heck out of a walk behind tiller. A hand guided tiller will throw you all over the place when you're breaking new ground, but it sure ain't throwing that tractor around.

You should try a mantis type tiller for small jobs. I just rented one for the flowerboxes around my house before I shovelled out the dirt (had a few yards of mushroom compost delivered) I was shockingly pleased with it. Nice little 4hp Honda 2 stroke, plenty of oomph and just the right amount of control.

Now that it has devolved into a discussion of farm equipment I should probably let this thread die but....

Toqer (great hats!) why do you think these folks would use double key encryption? That's a web based strategy in a stand alone situation. If I was going to encrypt files I wouldn't even have thought of that.

The value of branding the files with an ID number is even if the files are registered to somebody with a fake name and address if you see that number at least you know the KJ is using stolen property. The more I think about it the more I like the CDG branding idea.

I might invest in one of these hard drives if it didn't require CH. This is only a guess but I suspect the reason that they need CH is because the folks at Chart Buster don't have the techo-chops to to write the encryption software.

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Okay, who took my pants?

Weed didn't you write a CDG editor? Branding is useless.

It's obvious they're using key/token based encryption.. If they're not, they're dumb (like, storing the amount of credits in an encrypted file, then loading the values into ram)

That's what these "credits" are. I posted my analysis to facebook, and one of my friends who's subcontracted by yahoo to consult on security said;

Public key encryption is no better than symmetric key encyption if you give out your private key. More importantly, though, once an attacker has physical access to your device, you might as well assume that they can access your data.

The level of DRM should be just enough to deter most customers who are otherwise attempting to be legal (or don't know about other methods of piracy). Someone who is determined and technically competent will not be stopped. With the exception of using public key encryption wrong, I think the DRM here is good enough, considering that they want to allow offline access. At best, they could move credits and songs into the cloud, and then only songs that have been downloaded can be shared.

I mean, public/private keypair would be the "best effort" CH could do right? As my friend said though.. "More importantly, though, once an attacker has physical access to your device, you might as well assume that they can access your data."

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

No we are still waiting for him to finish it, beer is waiting.....

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As I have cautioned before, don't hold your breath. The urge to write code has left me.

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Okay, who took my pants?

to ripman8:

Sorry your post got turned into a discussion about hacking and farm equipment. I say just buy it. I'll also be placing an order for mine, today. CompuHost is the best hosting software there is and for those who complain, "you need CompuHost for this to work", are retards without a clue. To them I say, Don't Buy It! But you and I and many others will be buying and enjoying the many bennifits that KJMedia Pro HD has to offer.

OK, now I'm done with this thread and the stupidity that it turned in to and the people who made it about themselves.

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Alan this isn't about myself.

On a pro/con analysis, Sure, it sounds great, no net connection, get any CB song you want on the fly, BUT... the OP asked for the cons as well.

I'm willing to wager money that the minute this thing gets hacked, chartbusters will tell compuhost "You may no longer sell credits". It's easily hackable, I'm considered a very low low level tech compared to a lot of my friends, but one gift I do have, I can look at the high level of how things work and understand them. I'm fairly confident I could hack it.

Don't you consider that a risk to the future of the product that it might not be supported by the publisher in the future? Wouldn't you want someone to point that out?

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

Granted, it could and probably will be hacked. Probably by some kid in India or China who won't give a rat's rear about western copyright. But I've noticed that the same 200 or so songs get sung over and over again so what would be the point of hacking this thing over $400.00 worth of music?

But, the point Toqer make about Chart Buster denying future credit sales is a very good one.

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Okay, who took my pants?

I would guess the UK, as the majority of online karaoke piracy seems to happen there (demonoid, various other p2p networks are based there)

I rarely see any UK publisher stuff out there. Yes, I look, just because I like to gauge what's going on (who doesn't)

Point being... I think the KIAA stuff gets pirated because people simply don't like what they stand for. If they used a sane approach to combating piracy (like embracing online sales with an open, api accessable interface) then I doubt we'd see it up there. They don't, and the pirates get their Jolly Rogers tweaking with their heads.

And the pirates are greater in number and intelligence than the KIAA.. I think they don't realise it, or want to come to terms with that fact. I watch what they do, and I'm often reminded of The Man of La Mancha, where Don Quixote is chasing windmills thinking they're dragons, but never really slaying dragons.

There are stupid pirates (dan stern) but there are guys pirating stuff that are just leaps and bounds brainier then even tricera, or my group, or all the legit groups put together.

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

And when they get caught, they just plea bargain for a job working for a security company. Or after they get out of jail, if they hack someone like Sony.

The nature of a discussion is to branch. Or "chase rabbits" as we say in the south.

Exactly, look what happened to Kevin Mitnick, famous nokia phone hacker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick

He's making bank now.

I think this is brilliant. Being able to have the entire CH library in your books and only unlock the ones you need is fantastic. AND it phones homes and downloads updates? If you already have CH it's a very tempting deal! I may just pop for one.

As for hacking, etc, every CH essentials set is already out there and the new releases are in torrents days after release. I don't think this make CH any more/less vulnerable to attack.

Has anyone seen & played an unlocked song yet? It very well may look completely different from the disc version in addition to having the serialized info. This would make any thief think twice before using 11,000 illegally unlocked songs in a public show.