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Uh boy. Why did I open this thread? Makes me dizzy!

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

Wow, coming back with a bang, I see...

The only thing worth replying to was in regard to asking if there are restictions on SC use.

You might have read some previous posts before you lit your fuse. Please do so.

Here ya go:

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"Jian, I thought by supplying names and locations that I already had. Again, I wouldn't have done that without being sure.

Of course, if it ends up that they won't speak of their SC policies to outsiders, I'm kinda stuck. If one were to call, and they don't want to admit anything about anything ( and come to think of it, why would they to total strangers), the only real PROOF available is to go to a show there and ask them to play an SC track in a show.

If I were to ask someone to prove here to PROVE they own KJ equipment, it would be virtually impossible. Pictures could be of anyone's equipment. The only way to KNOW would be to visit, and even then the equipment could be borrowed.

I'm kind of in the same boat."
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Now,
I realize this sounds like one of YOUR "wriggle-outs", and accept that fact.
However, I can also understand why an owner wouldn't discuss internal policies with a stranger ( A possible new customer who may LIKE SC? Someone calling the venue - who already knows of the problems- from a mfr.?).

I'm willing to accept whatever loss of credibility to me that this might cause, simply because those who have read my posts over the years, and to whom I've spoken to on the phone probably won't harbor much doubt. It also might bring some peace.

For those that do- hey, it's an internet forum. I'll live with it. Some here have always found me fairly spot on, and others have always thought of me as a jerk. So be it.

In the years since this crap started, no one has convinced anyone on the opposite "side" ( though we really are all on one side") of anything. what does that tell you?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Joe,

Try calling the venues first and confirm what some pirate told you, before you post it. Just because the pirates are pulling their stolen Sound Choice files and yes now some of them are pulling Chartbuster files as well, it doesn't mean it is a decision made by the venue owners and managers.

Think real hard about what you are saying about all these managers lying about not allowing Sound Choice, that would be some conspiracy wouldn't it? That is a hell of a twist, unless it was satire

We have heard the same crap stories from pirates here in Virginia about the venues not allowing Sound Choice to be used, I have one here who has been trying to get me to come back to his place and his second biggest complaint is the KJ (who was there) didn't have any SC music, but this KJ claimed online that the venue didn't allow him to play it. The sad part is before Sound Choice started filing lawsuits in Virginia he had every Sound Choice song ever produced now he claims to have none.

Steve, I actually appreciate that you are offering me an "out" here, but I can't take it. While some of my info came from KJs (disc based, and that I trust) and some came from less trustworthy sources, some came direct from owners as well. While I do understand that the owners may not be admitting this over the phone- and how that makes me look- I have to stand by my statements. I know what I was told.

Some here will think I'm BSing, and hopefully some won't. There is no way for me to fix that, so I have to live with it.

I DO thank you anyway, and appreciate the spirit of your post.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Thunder. That's who.
I value my privacy very highly and I've made no secret of it. I was cyber stalked once before, as some of you may know (I've mentioned it before) and it was enough to make me very cautious and guard my privacy.
And Thunder has been well aware of it.
I've been avoiding coming here because on Sat Apr 09, 2011 at 4:56 pm, Thunder posted this, in response to me calling him out on his trolling: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=21186&p=297558&hilit=personal#p297558

Then, on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 4:06 am, a matter of only a few hours, I got the following private message from Thunder in my inbox (to which I posted no response), which is posted below. The two taken together, I consider a threat. I immediately reported the message, but as far as I know nothing was done and still hasn't been.


Message subject: Re: Sound Choice files 2 new suits
From: Thunder
Sent: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:06 am
To: diafel
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Subject: Sound Choice files 2 new suits


I was wrong about Thunder. He's not just a troll. He's EXACTLY what Chip described:


So he's a troll AND a Cyber Bully.
How telling.
It seems to me Thunder has a lot of time on his hands, apparently enough to spend time cyber stalking me, and that makes me question just how successful he really is as a karaoke host. I certainly don't have time to cyber-stalk anyone, but then, nor do I have the inclination. Only children and very, very small people bother with that kind of thing, anyway. I do wonder why he's so obsessed with me, though.
You may ask why I'm posting this. For a couple of reasons.
First, I WILL NOT allow petty, vindictive and insecure people to bully me and control my life in ANY way, shape, or form. It's just not me.
Second, I am hoping that perhaps by posting this out in the OPEN for EVERYONE to see (because we all know that insecure, petty, small people would much rather HIDE what they're really like) that he will perhaps stop this harassing nonsense.
Third, perhaps by posting it out in the OPEN, the mods will take it a little more seriously.
And last, I'm posting for those who are defending him like he's some kind of flawless victim who does no wrong, so that they can see what he's REALLY like and what he's REALLY capable of.
I may have butt heads with some on here. You may not like or agree with what I have to say, but I have NEVER EVER threatened anyone, invaded their private life, or consciously tried to make them feel like they have been threatened in any way, shape, or form. I've always told the truth as I've seen it, not always to everyone's liking, but so be it. I do ask you though, does that, in and of itself, warrant me to be treated in this manner? I may not agree with some on here, but I would be the first one defending them were they a victim of this kind of garbage. This has gone beyond a friendly debate, or even an internet argument. This is stepping on my toes and butting into my PERSONAL and very PRIVATE life! NOT OK and NOT cool. So before you jump up and defend that troll once again, stop and ask yourself if you would think it was OK were you in my shoes. How about if it was your wife or your daughter? Would you be OK with someone stalking your loved one? If you even hesitate before answering that, then you know I'm right. The trolling and cyber stalking has GOT TO STOP. On ALL COUNTS. Yes, Athena, I'm referring to you. Who really cares if Chip has a system or a show or not? What good does it do to "prove" one way or another? Wouldn't your time be better spent nurturing and nursing your daughter back to health or on some other worthy cause? And I'm referring to you also, Wall. Get a life. Go do something WORTHWHILE.
And yes, this also applies to any of you who have been doing the same thing but just haven't been caught at it yet. Grow up and go get yourself a real hobby if that's what it takes, but leave others alone for pete's sake!
Yes, I'm back. Your blackmail didn't work. Now go ahead, Thunder. Show them all how small and cruel you really are.

PS: There is NO satire in this post, not even from Thunder, so don't even try to defend what was said on that basis. Not gonna fly.

Wow. I get a sinus infection and missed a lot...

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" Disc based and loving it..."

He earned a warning star for that...

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Welcome Back Diafel! We've missed you!

Joe has shot straight and level headed for the time i have been here, and given me no reason to doubt his character. i may be wrong, but i believe he has earned the benefit of the doubt on this, at least from me. if it is only me, so be it. i will stand with him.

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You're not alone.

I'm with Joe too!!!! Joe, without a doubt, has apologized more than anyone on this forum for ruffling someones feathers. Joe is a devil's advocate that leans more in the direction of personal rights. His stance, from what I see, is from the eye of, "what would I do if someone wronged me". I believe Joe would be more than fair, and try to resolve the issue without ......let's say.....A LAW SUIT. I also believe Joe is not desparate, so that helps in being able to deal with a problem rationally. I do believe there are plenty of desparate parties in the karaoke world and what we are seeing is a result of that.

Thank you for being "Joe"

Mrmarog

30 seconds. I have google for brains and half a minute on my hands while waiting for my coffee to cool.

That's how long it took to find your FaceBook page and at least one venue that has a photo of you hosting with what looks like SC's lyric swipe colors on the screen behind you. Chip & Julie are friends which pretty much verifies the search results.

You disclosed your own information on line long before I looked at it. If you didn't want to be found, you should have STFU and stayed off the internet.

This is a public forum.

You have expressed yourself on a public forum as unwilling to disclose your true identity and location. Wanna play a silly game?

That information is public. You disclosed that information elsewhere, but refuse to do so here.

Seems a little paranoid to me. It also seems cowardly when you consider that virtually everyone else posting here as a KJ can be identified by their real name and location.

For the record, I don't give a flying f**k what has been said to you in a private message. To my knowledge, no one has disclosed that publicly available information in any thread on this board.

For you to bring out a private message into the public forum and publish a statement accusing someone of a crime because they disclosed to you, privately, that they had information that you didn't want them to have is ludicrous.

The grown-ups know that anonymity on the internet is tenuous at best. You did a lousy job protecting yours and then got upset because you've been found. Get over it.

I want to be clear. I am not endorsing Thunder's activities. He's a grown man who can handle his own heat. I can't see myself making the decisions he has made or expressing myself in the manner in which he has expressed himself.

Your absence from this board has been noted. You also missed a two week period during which Thunder was banned. The board was remarkably quiet. Practically no one posted a single thing about someone else's posts. What I mean is that people were interacting on topic without psychoanalyzing and critiquing personalities and attitudes.

Your first post in over a month and you jump right back in with both feet. Way to go.

Don't bother posting on topic. It's much more entertaining watching you play the victim.

You may not agree, but it does matter whether or not anyone posting here as a kj is actually a KJ. What the heck is wrong with asking: "Do you have a show?" I've looked, and even Chip will tell you that you can't find his show(s) but you can find someone else named Chip who works in his area. It doesn't do a whole lot to support credibility when you can't locate a show, or a website, or a venue or an advertisement or a calendar listing that indicates who is running the show. I'm talking simple credibility here, not honesty or trade secrets. There is no verification of that simple fact here on KS. The only requirement to call yourself a KJ and get your name in purple is simply a predetermined number of posts.

"Hey! I've posted 20 times, I'm a KJ. So Mr.(or Ms.) KJ, can you offer your expert opinion on this controversial subject matter? Really? Your show experience has led you to relate this information along with your opinion as a KJ. What show would that be? Oh, I'm not telling you that. Why? Because you must take me at my word. Really? Just like that guy who told me he has all the discs to back up the 100K tracks he offers? He said it, you said it, it must be true. God forbid I try to verify what you've said."

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Also for the record... I respect Joe C.

I understand where he's coming from. A long time ago, in another industry, I too saw my way of doing things threatened by the "big guys" in that industry. I watched as several small firms closed up shop and slunk away because when the light was shining on them, they couldn't summon the integrity to face it. I knew that if I stayed on the right track and played by the rules (not just the written ones), that I'd make it through the shake out. I did, and I benefited greatly because of the experience.

That being said, I don't agree with him on everything. I understand what he is saying.

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Sorry you don't like that I posted a private message, but there's no rule that says I am not permitted to share it. When someone does such a cowardly thing as threaten someone else and try to pretty much blackmail them, they deserve to have it out in the open for everyone to see. Sorry you don't like it, but tough patooties. It's my private message to do with as I please. And I chose to make it public in the hopes that perhaps, (though I doubt it), he would settle down and people would see what he's really capable of. You may not think it's such a big deal, and you may think it's OK, but then, you're a guy. You wouldn't understand, anyway. Maybe one day, if some psychotic chick starts stalking you, you just might get it. Maybe not. It really makes no nevermind to me what you think, anyway.
Don't like it, tough.
It is what it is.
You want credibility from Chip? Why not from Thunder, or Jian, or Lon, or anyone else?
Just to be fair, it is a well-known fact that at least in the past, Chip did run several shows. Is it now a requirement that you must currently have shows to have knowledge of the subject at hand? If not, then at what point does Chip's knowledge have no meaning if he has no shows?
2 weeks ago? a month? a year? 2 years? At what point would you say his knowledge is unusable and worth nothing?
If you want everyone to have to verify they are a CURRENT KJ, then you're in the wrong place. Who do you expect to do all the work it takes to do such a thing? This forum has been the way it is regarding this for a very long time and no one really had a major problem with it until you. Why is that?
Maybe because those who actually are karaoke hosts can tell when those who aren't are full of it. A "faker" would eventually show himself to be just that. To my eyes, Chip doesn't fall into that anymore than you do.
Forcing credibility by proving you have a current show is just stupid.
It's simply not going to happen.
Get real.

Thank you for letting me know, Jian. It's important to me that this was taken seriously and I thank you for that.

Why is Chip's credibility as a KJ in question at all, let alone as a response to Diafel? Let me see...he just posted a picture of his rig, has posted pictures of his kiosks, and let's not even mention the hundreds of posts about how he runs his business, on this forum as well as kjtalk. Why on earth would you call his credibility into question, other than the fact that you don't agree with his ideology. Sounds way too much like politics.

As for Diafel, you're right that it's easy enough to find information on the internet about pretty much anyone. The biggest problem with the way Thunder conducted himself here was that it was creepy and threatening to Diafel, and that just wasn't cool. Neither, of course, is telling some to STFU.

Birdofsong

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I already have credibility from Thunder. I've met him, seen his discs & equipment. I can find him and his shows on the web. His name is Steve Miller. He resides in Virginia. He has named his venues and passed two mfrs audits.

Jian & Lonman have also presented verifiable information regarding their shows.

Sure, I've seen the pictures of the equipment and I've read the posts that show Chip's knowledge on the subject. Is he a coach or a competitor? Is he on the sidelines or in the game? Mike Ditka had 58 receptions in his first season in the NFL, but I wouldn't bet on Da Bears if he was playing tight end this season.

Why was Chip's name brought up in a response to Diafel's post? Well, she brought up Athena's communication regarding Chip. That's all.

Honestly, Julie, I find it strange that I can't locate a show attributed to you or Chip in the Farmington or the Detroit metro/suburban area. Maybe its just me. Maybe its your advertising or lack thereof.

You're right, it does sound like politics. You've kind of made my point for me. How many political candidates do you think are vetted before being endorsed by their party?

I did not tell someone to STFU. Read it again. I said if you don't want to have public information exposed, then STFU and stay off the internet. There's a difference.

Both you and Diafel seem to subscribe to this "women as victims" mentality. Believe me, my education and experience have shown the prevalence of borderline personality disorders in women who live their lives with paranoia and constant conflict with men to be largely self induced. Women who become isolated in an abusive situation often suffer from embarrassment and guilt over "allowing" this to happen to them. The best way to help someone out of that trap is to connect them to resources and to begin to rebuild their self-esteem. This is key, because many victims of abusive situations don't think enough of their self-worth to face their problem with constructive, healing, proactive, assertive mentality. More often than not, they keep running and hiding and telling themselves that they are safe and the danger will eventually go away. Telling me that I wouldn't understand because I'm "a guy" is sexist and condescending. Wishing that I would experience a stalker is hypocritical at best. For you to understand, you'd have to grasp the difference between being pro-active and reactive. You'd have to understand the difference between being assertive and defensive.

Hey Diafel and Julie... Sound Choice is at it again in Florida. Something to add to that is that last week, without naming anyone in a lawsuit, Sound Choice shut down a guy who was offering 20,000 SC tracks on SCDG for $250 on eBay from south Florida. It was divulged during that activity that SC does in fact, have agent/investigators residing in Florida. SC also is at it in Canada. They are cooperating with RCMP in Ontario to shut down a "custom karaoke" club that has been advertising on FaceBook & the internet. They aren't limited to prosecuting pirate KJ's and vicariously infringing bars/venues. You may be surprised to learn that CB and PHM\Stellar are also involved with fighting on-line piracy. You've no doubt heard of the "craigslist/eBay scrubber bot" software that is available to help remove the illegal hard drive listings. Got anything to say about the topic of this thread?

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Just to set the record straight, KJAthena could have -just like anyone else- simply asked nicely however, she decided that it would be some sort of "investigation" on her part to see whether or not I have a "horse in the race."
Especially with her discussion that "other people she doesn't know, contacted people she does know," etc....

So, I'll simply let her do her investigation, so don't ask now. She obviously needs something to do and who am I to cut short her investigative work on behalf of giving or taking away all credibility? Not me. All this cloak 'n dagger crap comes directly from the price-fixing and stalking cheerleading side... (that's the side with Michael Handy and "Mick" on it)

I'm still waiting for the results of her investigation. Feel free to join her if you like. This is like music-on-hold.....



Golly Goober, I wouldn't rightly know, but I do know that the PDF file listings that you use for your songbook on the net didn't fall out of the sky and while you're proud that you can use it and it was free, I did notice that you've not once mentioned it's origin. Did it come from a coach or a competitor? Is Music Book Deluxe or any other bookmaker "in the game" or just on the sidelines? What constitutes "in the game?" I might not bet for Ditka unless his competitor across the line was...... wait for it....... you.

Since you're so proud to display them here, why doesn't your own website have your "certification" artwork plastered all over it? (not that proud 'eh?)

And I have to disagree with you about Thunder. What he did to Diafel was DEFINITELY creepy, threatening, stalking and bullying. Let's not twist it around by making appear as though "the girl deserved it" because no one does. Time for him to simply man-up and leave the girls alone. If he wants to engage them in a debate about this business, I'd say "have at it" because they can hold their own. But childish, threatening private messages is bullying and there's no way you can justify his actions.

Outstanding. I don't think I ever brought up gender. Probably ever. I don't care if you're a six-legged hermaphrodite. It's irrelevant. It is interesting, however, that I make a simple response to you and all of a sudden you make some insinuation about borderline personality disorder. Pretty low way to try to win an argument...for any gender.

As far as staying on topic -- I'm pretty sure I was actually responding to your post. If you wanted to talk about Florida, I'm pretty sure the way to do that is to actually talk about Florida -- not Diafel...or Chip's credentials...or defensive women.

Birdofsong

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