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Lon, I think he was referring to my claim that some of these bars won't even admit to having karaoke to out of area callers.

In this case, they either changed ther policy in regard to the phone, or a newbie answered, or maybe they felt safe now that they don't use SC, I guess.

I personally think it's the latter, because after reading Murray C's post, I had my mom call another place from Florida- one I hadn't named, but also never admitted to karaoke to non-locals, and they answered affirmatively as well.

I guess it makes a weird kind of sense. No SC being used, so they figure no problem... Though WE know other mfrs. have gotten involved, it seems that, in my region, SC is the only squeaky wheel. Yet they haven't actually done anything here- just 2 KJs have been contacted that I know of.

Again, venues like a smooth running business...

Do you think I would supply names and locations if I wasn't sure of myself?

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And, as Jian said:
Point being... Thunder stated a true fact that Joe immediately refuted and labelled BS, without knowledge of the truth.

How sad, that being presented with the truth, all that Joe did was to come up with some hypothetical excuses. Could have at least offered an apology to Thunder for unjustly calling him a liar! Maybe Joe should take a holiday with Thunder!

And we should simply accept your telephone story as credible why?

Unless they settled with SC, by ceasing the use of SC material, doesn't make a lawsuit go away. So I'm figuring a fourth option, some kind of settlement or waiting for a court hearing.

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I might not make it go away, but it will certainly take ALL the wind out of it's sails to the point it's not worth pursuing.

Try to make a vicarious liability charge stick when the defendant has ALREADY ceased any alleged infringing activity. SC would still have to provide PROOF. The judge would most likely look at this and say; "so how are they harming you now and why are you here?"

Remember that (here in the U.S.) it's about a "reasonable exercise of the law" not necessarily the technicalities although it is the technicalities that can force that court room explanation.

oops... double post.

You may want to read the thread again. (in relation to what you quote)

and yes I do agreed that Joe back his statement or face the consequence.

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Jian, the quote was not to reference what was said before but to highlight the principle of what you said to Thunder can also be applied to what Joe said.

Thunder use satire as an excuse, ( and I don't believe him since that was not the first time he give such excuse) and thus my quoted post, joe on the other hand tried to respond about his claim ( he fail so far )

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

As previously stated, as long as the other two have learned from SC's errors and don't do the same thing ( and from what I understand, they HAVE learned- we'll see...), I foresee no difficulties with using those brands.

However to answer your question "What will they allow to be played of any quality then?":

This is only my opinion- Stellar is not of any stellar quality. Their business is getting new songs out quickly. They do this well, and it's probably what keeps them in business. However, as far as quality goes, I find them to be merely generic karaoke tracks. Singable and usually accurate, but nothing I would call high quality.

Their tracks could be replaced by any average or better manufacturer.

As far as SC goes, Zoom ( which from what I can tell, is still available on a buy direct basis) is certainly at LEAST equal in quality, as are some other manufacturers on varying tracks.

I do admit that Chartbuster is probably far & away the best country genre producer out there, but others do a pretty good job, and there is also a large variance in the need for country in different regions.

Anything that has been made by the three mentioned is out there still, by other manufacturers- some of whom are better at their own genres then ANY of the three mentioned ( Music Maestro- out of business but still available- for Oldies and Doo-wop and Pocket songs for show tunes and many single artist discs, for example).

Other quality manufacturers are DK, SuperCore, Legends ( yeah, I know- some hate 'em, some love 'em) Radio Starz, Monster Hits, Priddis, etc..

Again, out of business does NOT mean out of circulation.

Almost any brand that was ever produced is still available somewhere. Top Tunes, for example, was much better than SC. I buy them as I find them- sometimes having to re-surface them- but worthwhile.

New releases? The three become two as SC is removed from this part.

Karaoke Kurrents from SuperCore are good quality tracks at a reasonable price. Quik Hitz are also OK.

In other words, no one has to depend a just a few brands to stay in business. There are hundreds to choose from.

Sorry, but that argument just won't fly....

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A misunderstanding, I think, Timberlea. These venues were never sued, or even contacted. They just get word of mouth, and decide, in order to keep business running smoothly, just to skip SC completely.

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Jian, I thought by supplying names and locations that I already had. Again, I wouldn't have done that without being sure.

Of course, if it ends up that they won't speak of their SC policies to outsiders, I'm kinda stuck. If one were to call, and they don't want to admit anything about anything ( and come to think of it, why would they to total strangers), the only real PROOF available is to go to a show there and ask them to play an SC track in a show.

If I were to ask someone to prove here to PROVE they own KJ equipment, it would be virtually impossible. Pictures could be of anyone's equipment. The only way to KNOW would be to visit, and even then the equipment could be borrowed.

I'm kind of in the same boat.

The only thing I can say in my defense is that, except for a VERY few people ( mostly Thunder, Wall, and I guess now "Murray C") , even people on the other side of this debate don't seem to have a problem with my credibility- even if they do with my opinions ( ask Eric from Starz, KJ Athena, Leapin', or others on the "other side") in my four years here- whereas Thunder's was questioned by MANY here from the start- on BOTH "sides", and it was his own doing- nothing to do with me.

I'm not sure if my past record counts for anything, but I'd like to think so. I admit that, because of that record, I assumed my word was good here. It's disheartening to find that not to be the case, but it was certainly wrong of me to make that assumption.

If you have another way I can prove what I said ( keeping in mind that this stuff was all verbal between venue and KJ) I will be happy to cooperate.

Otherwise, do what you feel is right. I won't question or harbor any ill feelings toward you, or "Murray C" for that matter.....

Please let me know, and thanks for your consideration in advance.

As for Murray's comments regarding calling Steve out on BS- he spent a lot of time getting called out ( and proven to be BSing) both here and on OKJT, the SC board, and ODJT by many people. I won't back away from that- not because anything personal, but because what he posts can cause KJs their livelihoods. I cannot ethically let that stand. He presented no "truth".

He stated that 4 venues per day were closing here. I asked him to name some. He couldn't so he didn't. ( So much for the "truth" Murray sees in Steve's statement.)

Instead, Steve did what has done in these situations through at least 3 forums that I know of- he attempted to distract from himself by questioning me about SC stoppage.

I could answer the question, so I did.

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I did call and they (the bar) did admit that they have karaoke on Saturday nights.


What have previous posts that I am not even privy to got to do with here and now? Absolutely nothing!

I called JoeChartreuse out on what he stated to be incorrect :
[Abbey Road] "won't even admit that they HAVE karaoke to out of area callers- so that was BS. Nice try though.... ".

Does that mean that from now on, whatever JoeChartreuse says can be taken as BS? Absolutely not! But it certainly makes me distrust what he says more-so than before.

I did not take anyone's side on this. JoeChartreuse said the bar won't admit that they have karaoke, Thunder said the bar did admit they have karaoke. I phoned and confirmed what Thunder stated was in fact not BS... he did not make a "nice try" as so eloquently put by JoeChartreuse.

1. I have no reason to doubt that Thunder did talk to the manager at Abbey Road and that he was telling the truth.

2. JoeChartreuse is wrong in labeling Thunder a liar in this case and his unwillingness to offer an apology in regards to that slander is, in my opinion, unethical and an indicator of his true character. And to me, it certainly does reduce his credibility.


Is this an attempt by JoeChartreuse to distract from himself? The "truth" I referred to has absolutely nothing to do with that statement, so why associate it here? It has everything to do with this:

and that alone!

In fact, in regards to the "4 venues per day" post by Thunder, I am totally with Jian on that! To even suggest that my posts had any reference to that statement is, in my opinion, merely a feeble attempt to cloud the issue at hand. And that issue is the way JoeChartreuse flamed Thunder as a liar and his refusal to apologise.

Murray C:
Who are you talking about?

Are you defending Thunder, Steve Miller, Michael Handy or "Mick?"

Would that be the same person that came here under false pretenses using a false name and then denied (more than once) who he really was?

Is this the same person that has also more than once - on this forum and others - called me a pirate? Or would that the same person that has stated that "he knows for fact" that my wife is on drugs for emotional problems?

Would that be the same one that when called out for his behavior and libelous accusations suddenly claim that his abusive posts are simply "satire", "saracasm" or a "joke" and that obviously every else is too stupid to comprehend that?

Because it appears as though you are somehow defending him as though he is some mistreated "victim" of circumstances when in fact, he has been given waaay more leeway (despite his malicious and abusive actions) than he ever should have (IMHO) and way more than you're willing to grant to others like Joe C.

1) Since just getting involved in this unpleasantness ( I have always attempted to be non-confrontational in my posts, until I allowed myself to make an exception for Thunder) might lower credibility, I understand your feelings in this matter. As for the venue answering in the affirmative about karaoke, please see my previous post.

Though I cannot, in good concience, apologize for my statements, because they were factual, I can and DO apologize for the manner of their presentation. I have always said that negative personalizations detract both from the forum, and the post itself. Those who have been here a long time know this to be true. I allowed Steve to bait me into breaking my own rule. For THAT, I sincerely apologize to the entire forum.


2) To this end, I misunderstood Murray C. I thought he meant that he thought the 4 closings per day were factual, and also thought that this is what he meant when he referred to Steve's "Truth".

A second apology specifically to Murray in regard to that matter.

As for Steve: I do not wish to comment any further in regard to him until or unless he returns. It would not be honorable.

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Why not Joe it hasn't ever stopped you before?

BTW I will never use satire again because some people don't have any understanding of what it is!

Joe, I called the venues you listed (before I was given a two week reflection period) I put the phone numbers down for those venues, so that anyone who wanted could easily verify it. One of the venues you gave had been closed for over a year (so you come up with another under the same name but in a different borough only this one doesn't have a phone listing at all)

While I was on "my reflection period" I called 11 more venues. There were no newbies involved in the answers I received because I always asked to speak to the owner or manager in each case and waited for them to come to the phone. out of the 14 venue owners and managers I talked with, NOT ONE OF THEM stated that there was a restriction on the use of Sound Choice or any other product label. Of the 14 I contacted 5 of them didn't even know what Sound Choice was, it was just karaoke.

My questions were scripted and I asked each venue manager the same questions:

1. Can I speak to the owner or manager?

2. Do you have karaoke?

3. What day and time?

4. Is there a restriction on the use of Sound Choice karaoke songs?

Again not one of them claimed any restriction on the use of Sound Choice!

I have recorded the venues the phone numbers and the names of the people I talked with at each venue.

Try as you might to discredit me with spin and lies, you seem to forget just how easy it is to look something up on the computer, pick up a phone and verify it.

But nice try!

In regards to the 4 venues per day comment anyone with any intelligence, could do the math and figure that one out. Since Joe made the statements I will post below in April of 2010 if you did the math 4 venues a day for 365 days comes out to 1460 venues in the state of New Jersey which are no longer doing karaoke, how dense would someone have to be not to figure it out!

But it was based on statements Joe had made in the past, since he feels it is OK to bring in "other sites" I thought I would post this for all to see and get a little understanding as to what the "satire" was about, Joe already knew exactly what it was about. This is just one of several post by Joe stating that venues were shutting down karaoke in his state. but spending a couple of hours on the phone shows that it was all BS.



The first problem was that two of the several venues he posted and named way back then were called and stated that they have never and never would have karaoke, but when confronted with that information Joe suddenly didn't have anything else to say on that subject.

The second problem was and still is that Sound Choice has yet to file any suits in New Jersey or even in any state close to New Jersey.

Funny how that works, you make a false statement and then come back later with the twist to say it can't be proven! But you call me out and I am banned for saying something that "can't be proven"!

First it was "they won't even tell out of the area callers they have karaoke and that they won't allow the use of Sound Choice products" (oops that was already proven to be false), so now it is: "they won't admit that they don't allow the use of Sound Choice products".

So you are now saying that all of the bar managers and owners are now liars and won't tell you the truth?

I guess it is a matter of the convenient truth, huh?

Welcome back Thunder & thanks for pointing out some facts about credibility around here.

Kudos to Murry as well!

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