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Can someone named in a lawsuit cheat an audit and get away with it?

Probably, but what happens if you are caught doing so?

Does the settlement agreement suddenly go way up in cost?

How would you cheat an audit?

Do you have a printed book or an online book that has been available to the public for a period of time? I know I have books that are floating around the venues that are anywhere from 1 year old to 7 years old.

Do you swap out your hard drive using only the songs that you actually have?

Do you run out and start buying up CDGs to fill up the list of songs you have on your hard drive?

While some people think that neither SC nor CB do any investigating would it really suprise anyone to find out that they actually do a very intensive investigation?

These are questions that really should be answered but I think the answers are already available as some of our "friends" in North Carolina can now atest to! Some of whom very well may be members here.

Trying to cheat the audit will backfire big time, for some that means a much larger settlement for others that means withdrawing from a scheduled voluntary audit and trying to negotiate a cheaper settlement.

For those that still think this is BS please keep thinking that.

You need to ask Michael Handy or Mick... they seem to know EVERYTHING....

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Oh Sh**, there's about a gozillion ways to cheat an audit. It's binary information after all and that can be pushed, pulled, encrypted, compressed, into just about any form you like. Then, use a kiosk not books. Good luck to anyone trying to figure your encryption scheme out.

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Okay, who took my pants?

If there happens to be a pirate with a basic IT background, they could "tune-in" and manage the audit remotely. What sort of checking happens with the IP address the auditors connect to in order to make sure its valid? How would they know? Everything could be remotely managed. We'll call them a "Pirate manager"

auditor -- pirate -- pirate manager

The pirate manager could offer a "fake disk print" and a "fake" machine service, using the pirates IP as the address. All remote desktop protocol stuff(vmware, citrix, VNC,etc) would be passed to a pirates server, that is just emulated hardware.

http://www.citrix.com/
http://www.vmware.com/
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/

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It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

How about this:

"Just say no."

I think you are missing the point of doing an audit to avoid a lawsuit!
Don't do the audit go forward with the lawsuit, have your stuff encrypted during discovery and lose by default, have a song not on the system that the investigator sang and once again you are still probably in default.

So the investigators sing do they?

Did you even read the repost of mroctobers' statement?

He said the investigator didn't sing very well.

That would seem to imply that he sang.

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Never the same show twice!

Would that be the same song that the investigator handed you the disc for and then left with? It would be pretty easy to testify that you sang it and it wouldn't be on the system would it?
Or would it be any songs that the other patrons of the club brought in on disc?...

You'll need better proof than that but it seems that you've pointed out how the investigator can cheat at the investigation don't you think?

So the easiest way to not even bother with an audit and still avoid a lawsuit is to simply drop the brand entirely... Your clubs will love you for it....

that particular scenario has bugged me as well Chip. i didn't have a lot of BYOD singers, but i know many here do have them, Joe & Lon i believe.... wouldn't that make it so playing an original manu disc that belongs to someone else is not authorized? if i don't have the song, tough $h!t???

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Since it's not going to affect disc based operations anyway Joe is beside the point.

Why would you cue something from a patron's disc for someone other than the person the disc belongs too?

Why would they even believe that the song was in your system if it wasn't in the book?

If it is in your book why would you cue it from a patron's disc?

When I was taking patron's disc to play (few and very far between) I played their song and handed them back the disc when they were finished singing that song, so it wouldn't have been available for someone else to sing from (in my system). Now I simply don't take a patrons disc, (I don't have a CD drive in my show computer) unless I have a major computer crash and have to bring in the CDG player and disc, then we're are limited to the SC Foundations, because that is all I carry for backup.

Sure it would. The investigator could still say they sang a song that the kj doesn't own. Forget the book. The issue at hand has nothing to do with books...

Hmmm.... Fred brings in a Case Logic 50-disc carrier of Sound Choice songs that the KJ doesn't have and his long-time buddies "borrow" them and hand them to the KJ. End result: Investigator swears that these guys sang these songs and even has photos.... KJ doesn't own the disc does he?

This action is not about "books" and has nothing to do with books. Books are simply another form of "evidence" for your investigator.

Once again, it isn't about books. Even MtnKaraoke has stated that on a night or two, his (Compuhost) kiosks went down. If he didn't have a book in the room, everyone would simply be asking him wouldn't they?

What? You don't take a customers disc? Why wouldn't a certified, legal, legit, vetted KJ not take a disc.... especially if they have a covenant not to sue? Seems suspicious to me...

All a host has to do is say Joe Doe is singing off their own disc. Problem solved. At least for those who have any common sense and who don't have p1$$ing contests for the sake of just having p1$$ing contests.

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Sorry, problem NOT "solved." You were in law enforcement... you know better than that.

Hmmmm.... P.I.'s aren't dumb!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NmtlGXFrE

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I wonder why it is that the cheerleaders are wasting so much time talking abou cheating audits. Very strange to me.

Birdofsong

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MMMMMMMMMMMMMM that is interesting isn't it?

Could it possibly be because some have already been caught trying to cheat the audits?

Could it be because a group of KJs decided to get together and pool their disc to go through an audit and got busted trying?

Could it be that some have run out after being served and bought up huge amounts of disc to CYA only to find out it wouldn't fly.

Could it be that some pirates showed up for an audit with a brand new hard drive and 1/4 of the songs they had when they were investigated?

Of course I have to wonder why those who are against "anti-piracy" are so concerned with what the "cheerleaders" are doing, but that isn't very strange to me.

And what seems suspicious to you?

No I don't take patrons disc, because I no longer setup a player at my shows, given the fact that I haven't had a patron bring an origional manus disc in the past three years I don't really see the need for it. I eliminated the CD drive from my show computers (both KJ and DJ systems) so I had the perfect excuse NOT to play a patrons disc. When I was DJing the club I had too many home made disc coming in wanting exposure for really bad songs, and still get this from time to time at karaoke when the lastest and greatest "rap star" brings in his beats so he can do his rap song!

If it ain't in my book it don't get played!