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by rallying to have such laws passed.....and that will require assistance of the Manu's....and creations of such organizations

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

Wow.... Why don't you stalkers just call me directly? Have you nothing better to do with your time to improve your own business than wonder what I am doing?

Shouldn't you be busy fielding all the calls you're getting from venues that are clamoring for your services? Or maybe scheduling the operation you've been putting off and buying discs instead? How about scanning Craigslist for more hard drive sellers?

Chip, you're starting to sound like an old scratched record. For the young, that's a round vinyl discs with grooves cut into it to play music in the old days. You hit the scratch and it played the same thing over and over and over and over.

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ain't most people who post here sound the same. same ..same..same. Yes I read the same argument over and over again....again.....again.... again.... again..... again

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

You are asking me what I would do, and it's irrelevant. I KNOW the karaoke business, and all that goes with it. The average bar owner does not.

He would KNOW if his supplier were supplying stolen hooch ONLY because of the pricing.

He would KNOW the tracks on the jukebox were limewire, because HE loads it.

He would KNOW the cable was pirated, because HE pays the bills

He would KNOW all of the above because they are part of HIS business.

Karaoke is not. He WOULDN'T know, or even feel he's supposed to know about karaoke or DJ music sources. He certainly wouldn't be thinking about the relatively new invention, 1:1, and I've never even HEARD of an owner asking to see receipts for pc loaded KJ or DJ music- have you?

Hell, we have aboard full of professional Karaoke Hosts here, and even WE can't agree. How the heck is a bar owner even supposed to know what to ask?

They DON'T know about the business, they don't know the questions, and they don't ask about what is not part of THEIR business.

They only care about the details of THEIR business, which they want to run smoothly. Entertainment and it's details are OUR bailiwick.

However, if the smooth flow of THEIR business is disrupted, they eliminate the disruption- quickly.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Wow, this is unexpected from you, Athena. Even if it were true, how would it be relevant? It's like someone else mentioned that I'm not PC based (true)- and.....????

Folks, I speak to Athena often, and despite the fact that we are in completely opposed positions, I find that her motivation ( though misguided IMHO, of course ) is right-hearted. She believes what she is posting is right, and is not just a shill. I have a great and abiding respect for her, AND her ethics.

In other words, we are on opposite "sides" and yet have a mutual respect for each other.

Can we PLEASE, for the love of karaoke, leave the flames, insults, negative personalizations, and other extras out of this? Not just because they are unnecessary, but because as soon as one is inserted into a post, THAT becomes the area of concentration, and any informational point is lost.

Any possibility at all?

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

so why is it different to get karaoke for $50.00 as opposed to $150.00? he KNOWS it is bad ONLY because of price.

i do not give the venue owners the luxury of saying "it's only karaoke" and ignoring the obvious signs. saying "hey, this booze costs three times as much from vendor so-and-so" would make him question and think about his liability. saying "hey, karaoke costs three times as much from vendor so-and-so" should not make him question and think about his liability? should the fact that he can get in trouble if he buys stolen booze stop him from selling booze if he checked and KNOWS it is from a legit vendor? no more than getting karaoke from a legit vendor.
being a dumb a$$ does not save them from anything. "i did not know that the whiskey was stolen" would not work, "i did not know the karaoke was stolen" would?

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Actullay not true. The jukebox supplier loads it. Most bars i've been to in the last few year lease a jukebox & don't have a clue what is on it.

Bars that own their own
If they get wind of something illegal that may harm their business and/or reputation as far as illegal karaoke, then i'm sure they would want to know & maybe rectify the situation. Or maybe not.....who knows.

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I suppose that I would agree with you Joe..... that is until I got to the admission above that she is currently, actively and not quite done with her stalking hobby.... because that's all it appears to be to me.

Kinda high on the "creepy factor scale" wouldn't you agree? First WallOfSound and now KJAthena? Who's next?

actually, vinyl is the leading music media in sales at this point in time.

The much-discussed "return of vinyl" has hit the brakes.

LP lovers have scored plenty of coverage in major publications over the last couple of years for bringing the vinyl record back from the brink of extinction, despite the fact that vinyl sales still make up less than one percent of total album sales. If 2010 is any indication, we may soon see an end to such stories. Blame the economy or just call it a small market nearing its saturation point; in 2010, growth slowed significantly. Where sales jumped by 33% in 2009, last year that number was 14%.

Note to future anthropologists who use vinyl sales to uncover truths about the schizophrenic mind of early 21st century music purchasers: the best selling vinyl album of 2010 was a 41-year-old record that made more news for finally making a digital debut. The Beatles' Abbey Road sold nearly twice as many copies on vinyl as did its nearest competitors, new albums by Arcade Fire and The Black Keys. -Ann Powers

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Never the same show twice!

Yah I feel the same way about her (so far) Athena, just so you heard it from me, thank you for debating, and not dwindling things down into trifling arguments.

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

Wow, this is unexpected from you, Athena. Even if it were true, how would it be relevant? It's like someone else mentioned that I'm not PC based (true)- and.....????

Folks, I speak to Athena often, and despite the fact that we are in completely opposed positions, I find that her motivation ( though misguided IMHO, of course ) is right-hearted. She believes what she is posting is right, and is not just a shill. I have a great and abiding respect for her, AND her ethics.

In other words, we are on opposite "sides" and yet have a mutual respect for each other.

Can we PLEASE, for the love of karaoke, leave the flames, insults, negative personalizations, and other extras out of this? Not just because they are unnecessary, but because as soon as one is inserted into a post, THAT becomes the area of concentration, and any informational point is lost.

Any possibility at all?[/quote]
Joe we do have a mutual respect for each other and even with our opposite positions on a number of the issues we can get along and debate issues and have even found some common ground......I posted what I did about Chip not even having a horse in the race because I feel it is relevent . Those of us that have been debating these issues for some time have had the benefit of information from many sources. Newbies have less.....I personally find the venom Chip post to be a dis-service to those that are new. I did not look for this information those that provided it searched me out....I did not post it until the 4th person did so and now I will do as I can to prove or disprove it. .
Athena

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

While you're busy stalking my activities I notice you don't seem to have a problem posting whatever you think is or is not relevant.... whether it is libelous or not. So how about filling us all in on the identities of the 4 people (in my area) you claim below "searched you out" first. I would expect someone else here to refuse to do it because it would simply be an untruth they couldn't do in the first place. But I'm sure with you, the truth has no fear and you wouldn't hesistate.... Just light a blue candle first.... I'm waiting.


Personally, I find that one person's venom is another person's "education" and it's important to have a well-rounded education wouldn't you agree? You can't tell newbies nothing but a sweet fairytale or that would be a HUGE disservice - you have to educate the good with the bad if you want to be fair. (you do want to be fair right?)

While you're busy being a super-sleuth, how about taking a peek at the latest KJ's that were released from the latest suit in your neck of the woods. Care to tell us why one of them was "voluntarily dismissed WITH prejudice?"

Sounds to me like your buddies at SC sued someone that was disc-based...... again.....

Hmmm.

4 suits in Florida voluntarily dismissed WITH prejudice, one without.

Looks like we gots a couple of whoopsies thar, chilluns.

http://docs.google.com/gview?url=http%3 ... edded=true

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Dave's not here.

I would say he would sue.

Didn't he file a lawsuit against MTU for using a program he wrote beyond his agreement?

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well, so much for the investigators. was this the most current filing in Fla or a previous one?

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

All this is going to end up doing is making the judges mad...

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

Moonrider ...I do not have a pacer account but in reading each of the cases filed that have been posted I can not find a Michael Davis listed....is it possible a person was listed as a John Doe and later identified as Michael Davis (a common name) and they found the wrong Michael Davis ? hence the dismissal without prejudice or maybe just like we did he requested and passed an audit.....with so little info it is hard to say.

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

Athena,
You need to understand the difference between WITH prejudice and WITHOUT prejudice:

"WithOUT Prejudice" means that SC is free to sue them AGAIN anytime they like for the same violation.

"WITH Prejudice" means that SC can NEVER sue them for trademark infringement again, period.

These 4 could have merely been settlements - and SC is free to write different settlements for each one if they like, doesn't matter.

The suspicious one is the one in the suit from Northern Florida where there was only 1 with prejudice dismissal.

What I'm looking for is a motion for a summary judgment....