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TWO WERE GIVEN HALL PASSES: Facts straight from the horse's mouth.

Posted by Sound Choice / KURT SLEP on OurKJTalk.com:


Skid was given a hall pass and he later demanded an audit - to "show everyone how easy it is" - what a farce. Thunder played along as well.

BOTH THUNDER AND SKID ROWE were given a "hall pass" so the audits were nothing but an unnecessary charade. Obviously, SC was not one of the "other doubters" since Kurt ADMITS to giving them a "by." I know, when you're faced with the truth, your misrepresentations and resulting brain-explosions can sort of blur your thinking - I get it.

Here is the link if you like: http://general-forums.com/t86497/#post556382

There are no "lies being compounded" here, except for your failing (or simply) convenient memory.

The FACTS are not "lies" just because you fail to recall them correctly. And that includes the magically re-appearing SC8125 that Thunder admitted he used illegally and got caught.... right?


How to confuse a cheerleader: Use facts and logic, works every time.

I tried explaining this all to my 1.5 year old using goldielocks as a metaphor.

I think I explained it poorly and did a terrible job of delivery. He promptly jumped off my lap, ran to his high chair and demanded "Berries"

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It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
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I don't know if the problem you have is simply an inability to understand what you read or if you are simply trying to twist the facts around to make them fit your needs (the effort that Joe makes)

But if you would bother to read the supposed quote that you posted you would see the that even in your best attempt to color what was actually said you still failed miserably, but you keep on trying.

Joe was demanding that i be audited period and it wasn't about a "hall pass" (your words) it was because I simply agreed with what Sound Choice was doing at the time and Joe felt like I should be audited because he thought I was trying to cover something up. I was audited.

Skid was filed against his extensive purchase history "directly from Sound Choice" was discovered and Sound Choice dropped the suit against him, but because of the crap that Joe was trying to stir Skid decided to go through the audit himself (because of the crap that Joe was kicking up).

I never had a "hall pass" didn't ask for one wasn't offered one. But as I said before there are those who will grasp anything they think they can twist and try to make it out to be something it's not.

I was told I could not post information from another forum or information correct or incorrect about anyone on this forum how is it that you and Joe are continually allowed to do so?

Let me ask this slowly...

D O Y O U K N O W T H A T Y O U R O P I N I O N I S NOT A F A C T ?

... twistin', twistin', twistin the facts away...

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It's pretty obvious Virgin. Chip did it here this morning: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=21200#p296444

A total assumption which is false since I just got off the phone with Steve Brophy, who is the owner of APS & Associates, who claims that he has never heard of Robert Fail or APS Inc.

I see Chip's credibility fading fast....

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BOTH THUNDER AND SKID ROWE were given a "hall pass" so the audits were nothing but an unnecessary charade. Obviously, SC was not one of the "other doubters" since Kurt ADMITS to giving them a "by." I know, when you're faced with the truth, your misrepresentations and resulting brain-explosions can sort of blur your thinking - I get it.

Truly I think you misunderstood the use of the word "by"... The "by" was a "hall-pass" - not to be named in a lawsuit after purchasing history was established.
This flies directly in the face of the "intimidation" focused individuals who believe coercion is the only reason anyone has undergone an audit.

The audits still served their purpose in verifying legal possession (1:1 for simplicity) of the karaoke tracks transferred to a hard drive.
Both Steve & Skid underwent the same audit process from 2 manufacturers that day, remember, Chartbuster also verified.
No by, no hall-pass. FACT.

Though your opinion of the process and motivation might be very low and laced with sarcasm and resentment, it still doesn't alter the FACTS.


Again, you don't have the truth. You are trying to make it up as you go along, but the problem is, those that know the truth are witnesses.

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Both Thunder and Skid had hall passes... audits were not required. Skid for "longevity" and Thunder for "being so helpful" in playing pointer-dog.

This is what prompted Joe (and others) to cry foul and expect SC to play fair and demand audits equally - customer or no customer - of everyone they claim to want to audit and not allow "special treatment." So yes, they're both "customers" and so am I and so is Athena and Jennifer Price, and Big Joe, and on and on and on.... They didn't get this special treatment either did they?

I realized you "witnessed" their audits.... so what. They were meaningless.

Keep on with the "untruths) Chip they fit you well!

Hey, I guess you can go back to your other avatar now!

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" Disc based and loving it..."

No confusion. The host you mentioned, SR, was a different matter all together. As stated, he too got a pass, then volunteered for the audit ( wonderful, but since he already got the pass he wasn't going to fail either).

Kurt posted that Thunder had a pass as well BEFORE the metting and subsequent audit.

Once again, my issue wasn't with either of these hosts, but with SC, who had absolutely NO WAY of KNOWING these folks were "1:1". Which means, in my opinion, that he had other motivation for issueing the passes.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I would also add that the KJ who initially displayed the use of home PC's and MP3s in professional situations ( shows/events) shoulder a HUGE responsibility for publicizing the use of both.

MP3s -easy to pirate, unlike discs. Discs cost money, distribution costs money, and there is a large time investment in duping them. One might see a burned disc pirate, but I guaurantee you it cost him quite a bit even for those. Plus, one can carry 100K songs on a PC easily- not so with discs.

PC's- " Oh look! I've got one of those at home! Gee, add "free" mp3s and a couple of powered speakers and I can be a real live KJ too!" Greeeeeaaaaat......

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" Disc based and loving it..."

1) I truly believe you are mistaken about any misunderstanding.

2) While I believe they had no chance of failing no matter what, I also actually believe they probably were 1:1 for the audit anyway. My issue was never about Thunder or Skid being legit, it was an is about SC giving them credit for being so with no way of knowing, yet not doing the same for others- hence letters of intent going out to other KJs without any investigation whatsoever, as proven by SC numerous "mistakes".

Look, SC has no interest in "anti-piracy". It doesn't have an effect on them- they are no longer in the business. It's not even about "recouping losses" for them, because they have proven that they don't care if they get funds from pirates or non-pirates. How anyone can still believe Sound Choice is the "Anti-Pirate Savior" is incomprehensible to me.

3) I see C. as doing quite well with the truth. Also, unlike me, who wants you to do the work and find the answers yourself so I don't have to debate the same things over and over, C. is more than happy to post proof of everything he posts. I see your statement about him as incorrect.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Joe,

I know I will probably be banned for this, but I have told you over and over as well as others here have told you that what you are saying in not the truth, I don't know why you feel the need to lie continuously about this. I was directly involved and I know the story from start to finish none of what you are saying is true and you know it. Even what you and Chip continue to post doesn't say anything about Skid or me being given a Hall pass it does however say that Skid was given a "by" on the lawsuit but he still went through the audit, I was never given a "by" however I did go through the audit you were demanding I go through but I didn't do it for or because of you I did it for myself, in fact you weren't even in my mind at all when I made arrangements to go to Charlotte.

Yet you keep telling these lies as if you actually know what you are talking about, it would be different if there was some misunderstanding but there isn't the record has been set straight several times but you and Chip continue to foster these lies.

I understand you have an agenda against Sound Choice and Chartbuster perhaps you think this makes you look good or maybe telling these lies makes you feel better about yourself I don't know.

What I do know for a fact is that they are lies that you continue to repeat!
I will make some small comment that you will report to the admin as you and Chip have done so many times before on other boards and I will be banned.

posted by Thunder:


Calm down Thunder! You're gonna give yourself a heart attack!
Why would Joe even care whether or not you went through an audit?
Hint: Because you were given a hall pass by Kurt for your "investigative assistance" (snitch work) period.

Try as you might to deny it by pointing and repeating "lie!" all you like, it's not working.

Evil? Evil? I have never called or considered you as evil since I don't know anything about you. My position (and anyone that has spoken with me or debated with me or personally knows me) will tell you that my only position is that if you OWN (that is for the manus to determine, since it is their product that we are using) the original media the works were sold on by the manus (we are talking about CB, SC and PHM) and you are operating 1:1, then you sould choose to arange an audit with the manus. (period!) You dont have to do it, it is voluntary(period!). It is when you choose not to do one that some here begin to question why (but, we really don't know since we are not there are we). I personally could care less if you are vetted or not since you are not in my market and don't really know your business practices or habits as a kj. But, hold up on bashing and lumping All vetted kjs in to one pile, that is (to quote you "bs"). Many of us here disagree on how some things should happen and the process that are or are not taking place and that in itself seems to be a lot of the major discourse.
I personally drove 4.5 hours to have my audit done by SC and for me it was worth it and looking back would do it all again. I met a few kjs from a cross section of the United States that wanted to set an example for the rest as to getting an audit done and I didn't see anyone there that was being forced or pushed in anyway. Some came from as far away as Florida, Colorado and the northeast. Our goal was to get a feel to what the manus intent was and to get questions answered and to offer our suggestion to help make our relationship with the manus stronger to help our industry survive. (Some of are actually working on another kj gathering (every kj is invited) down the road but a date hasn't been set yet).
I was always legal from day one since I operated discs only and for me a no brainer.
Your anger level is being directed to your brothers and sisters in the industry that are trying to survive. Your actions are working against you and coming across to many of us as bitter and harsh. Have you actually tried to converse directly with the manus or do you just assume that it will have a negetive outcome towards you in the end.

Run your business as you see fit and when the manus come to town and offer audits, take it, because in the end it will have a positive effect in your market (doesn't happen over night) as it has in my market where we were saturated with (shall I say) kj operators swearing thay were legal and were named in a suit and now some of the "legal" (their claim not mine) have dropped out of sight leaving the (few) actually verified, vetted, proven legal (you use the trem you want) to pick up new business and raise prices (I have been able to raise my price). Chearleader? Hell yea I'm one (no apologies either) because manus are helping make my local market better using whatever leverage at their disposal to help clean it up. But again, I can only speak for my market. Also FYI, I am not a "mouthpiece" or a "shill" for any maun, only a mouthpiece for my own business and my own market.

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Rumbolt:
Then using your logic, you need to "voluntarily" contact all the vendors for anything in your house and demand an "audit" as well:

Call the makers of your refrigerator, washer, dryer, cordless drill, speakers and even your computer(s) to have them "certify you" that you actually purchased their product and are not using it for anything they don't want or like.

You are so willing to give up (or sell out) your own rights and self-pride and that includes your right to privacy. Good for you!

Have at it.

However, keep in mind that this entire "audit" certification routine is simply garbage: Any KJ can simply make up a book that contains the discs they own, get your precious title of "certified" or anything else and immediately go back to using pirated tracks. Don't be so naive to think it doesn't happen.... I wouldn't be surprised if some of the audits at your cheerleading meeting were done this way.

So there's no long-lasting effect is there? No way to maintain compliance over any extended time... Nope.

No, don't use the excuse that they can conduct another audit whenever they want.... this means you would have signed their form -another mistake- and you can always do the same nutshell game again. Just like some who attempt to hide their true identity by changing their name...

Chip,

There was a purpose for the change of name it it worked well. The information I was able to get from one person was a big help in an ongoing situation.

And I want to thank you for the information you provided as well!

Nice of you to admit that you changed your name, used a 30 (or 35) year-old photograph to hide behind while you're busy trolling this forum snitching for SC. How many "legal" KJ's did you turn in for their trademark extortion racket? Do you get a commission for all this "assistance?"



Nice try to include me in your hidden agenda.

NexT time maybe?

I was only after one, and as I said it worked out well, really no commission just a free ski trip!