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Have you ever used a TCHelicon product called "VOICEWORKS". I just bought one to try and play around with a little on karaoke. Can you tell me anything about it?

I plan to make everbody a star.

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I've got the Digitech Vocalist VR, works for recording but not that great live.

after playing with it over the weekend, and trying it out, it works pretty good. Live is good too unless you forget which key to set it up to.

but the 1-4 voice works impeckably. I tried the 4 voice barbershop type with star spangles banner (like nsync) acapella, and it really sounded good.

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I have the Voice Works demo disc and it seems pretty amazing. I wasn't sure how practical it would be for karaoke use, given ever changing singers, songs, etc. Thought it might be more suited for studio or bands, professional performers (rehearsers as opposed to more on-the-fly karaoke). If you incorporate this into a karaoke show, please post the results. I'm still interested in this device.

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I have been using this at home all week, and even tried it with a guitar, just to see if it would really keep a note on pitch, and I was Impressed. I could Pluck an e string, and bend it 2 frets, and you couldnt hear a difference out of the speakers or even see it on a chromatic tuner.

I have been Practice singing through it also, and it makes a heck of a difference. the only thing is you must know what key the song is in for setup and it will change on each song. it is as easy as a keyboard stroke to change the key. and like sound choice tells you the key it is in, so no problem. You wouldn't be able to use it in all cases, but Imagine the singers sounding good on your system, then going to another show, and sounding normal. I can see it as a tool to keep regulars coming back for good sounds.

will be trying it in more shows this weekend.

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How many times will you forget and make someone else sound horrible?
How many time will you miss the intro screen that shows the key and make someone else sound horrible?
How many other disks but SC do you have that DO NOT show the key and make someone else sound horrible?


You can either sing or not. This is a pitch correcting device, will not make you not sound "normal". I take just as much time on my shows with good or bad singers, making them sound as good as possible, but I will not enhance some-one's voice with a VOICEWORKS (or something similar) to keep them coming to my show.

You are taking an off key singer, make him/her sound good, let him/her feel good about themselves until they go somewhere else and they get laughed of the stage due to the fact that they are permanently off key.

I'm sorry, if you want to use it for studio work, and make people believe you sound good, fine, that's your choice as long as you never perform live without it, because you won't be able to keep up to your own quality. But cheating other people unknowingly, that's wrong.

Allstar,


actually none to all. you use bypass mode unless you select it.



Sounds like a contradiction in terms to me, you will take what you have, and make someone sound as good as you can. Do you have a $10.00 mic, or a $250.00 mic? Do you use echo & reverb, or mix all singers dry.


Karaoke is supposed to be entertaining and enjoyable to the singer, I will use any means at my disposal to make them feel good while they are on my stage. When they go to another show with walmart cdg's. and macdonald's speakerbox sounds They can hear the difference. What do you think they would prefer. Who's do you think they will come back to

If you choose use 2nd class equipment, that is your choice.

If you don't care about quality sound that is your choice.

Where a Karaoke singer goes to sing is his choice.

Voice enhancement actually helps singers to train themselves to sing on key.

This all goes back to the analogy of the undercutter's with burned cd's and a $100.00 karaoke system running the industry into the ground.

If you can't give someone what they want they will go somewhere else.

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Dr.D you're a pretty nice guy and you have some valid points.
Now let's get one thing straight here! NO p*****g contest OK. I've been there with other members and do not want to start it with you. If we take out the gloves, above the belt OK? OK!


Let's not talk about mic's please . Just because I don't have Shure mic's doesn't mean I have crappy mics.
I have a mix of Reverb and Chorus on the mic mix.


Couldn't agree with you more, but.....................

So let me ask you this, and please answer.
You have a singer that comes in that is off key (always, or most of the time)
He comes for the first song, a SC hit, you see the key it's been recorded in and, of course, you use the pitch corrector. Good choice and the person sounds great.
Now he comes in on the second rotation. Oops, not a SC CDG but something else. You bypass the pitch corrector and suddenly this person is just whaling away, as false as can be. And this goes bypass on/off the whole night.
What if you select the wrong key with somebody that normally sounds great and on key? Hmmmmmmmm I sing in A and you selected a minor key. Can you think what a good singer will do if you make him sound false???

Or................
A new person comes in. You don't know how well this person holds a oitch. Do you bypass on the first song or not? What if this person DOESN"T want to be bypassed??



Very well said, and yes, we both know where they would go to!


Now that is getting a bit personal. I did not say anything about you using 2nd class equipment, neither that you don't care about quality sound . What I said is that I will not enhance some-one's voice with a VOICEWORKS


VOICEWORKS puts you on key. Meaning you will never hear that you are off key. How will that train a person to sing on key if he/she cannot hear that they're off key


This statement should be ignored. You have never seen my system and just because you bought a VOICEWORKS, and I don't have one, you hint that I'm an undercutter


Read what other people said
hitwtom: I've got the Digitech Vocalist VR, works for recording but not that great live.
Dr. D (Yourself) Live is good too unless you forget which key to set it up to.

ALLSTAR,
First off, I wasnt't refering to you personally as having 2nd class equipt. burned cd's or such. It was a general statement. I don't like to get into PiZZing contests as to what is good or bad or what anyone should use. Normally I am using cordless vocopro mic's for my singers because I'm dealing with drunks.
In New Orleans This is a prevalent situation. and I'm not putting a Beta58 in the hands of a drunk.

This unit is on its on channel, and I have a Beta 58 corded mic' on it and it is emulated to a studio gold diaphram.

As to the second part of your post, I don't make an Illusion of the fact I am running pitch enhancement. I have customers that request no echo (dry) and I do as the customer wishes.

as far as

This would be a relevant question if a singer was consistantly perfect on all songs he sung. But normally some people have good songs, and some they arent that great on. so consequently some would have sounded good and some not anyway.

Now, as far as how can this help a singer to improve, I have seen this. I am not running monitors, so a singer sounds one way to him, and corrected to the audience. He hears the tonal changes, and learns to correct them. ( I got this from the manual)

I read about the vocalist VR from digitech, and it creats a harmony voice, it doesnt correct pitch. and This one is for live performance.

I'm not trying to sell you or anyone on this, I am just stating my experiences with it.

I am not like the one's here on the board, that tell you if you aren't runng 10,000 watts, and studio equipment you aren't crap. I use this, and it works for me. To each his own.

Heck, you probably are a Kj or Dj for a Living, and that's cool. I work a 9-5 m-f, & I KJ once a week, and get paid well for it, but I do it because I enjoy it, and that is what it's all about for me. When it ceases to be fun, I move on.

This equipt sits at home during the week, and I enjoy it there !

I would live to see your show one day, maybe on a vacation or something our paths will cross.

Dr. D you're a kewl guy!


Agree!


If this works, then thumbs up!




One of the most sensable (s/p?) things said.


That is exactly my situation.


That's where my subs come from!


We could have a friendly beer together, no boxing

Thank you, you are now officially welcomed in my friendship circle

Allstar,
I moved here from St Louis about 6 years ago. (actually Hazelwood) I really wish I was back there, except for the taxes. I used to go to a place ther, I forget the name of the place, but it was on the southside, and was owned by an Elvis Impressionist.

I kinda Envy you, You live in a city with a lot to offer. always something fun to do and a great place to be Single. I was single when I lived there for a short while, but didnt know how to enjoy it at the time. Living here for a while taught me how good it was there.

I do have a brother that still lives there now, he lives on some lake in St charles. So, I probably will show up out that way one day. Don't be suprised.

Question for you tho, is the Music (karaoke) business union like everything else is ? I wasn't Union in My trade, But it was a pain dealing with all the different bussiness that were.

I could tell you about it taking 4 months to get a wrecked car fixed (because of unions) but that's another story......

what are you running for equipt. and you mentioned subs......pm me.

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hey you two....Really enjoyed reading this thread.....love the way you both handled it .....

Thanks MrO, Both Dr D and I are grown-ups without hang-ups, right Dr. D

Kewl here thanks

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WOW! I'm getting tingly all over.......peace,love karaoke

Hey!

It is nice to see a good debate

I would just like to say, as someone who sings, and has to work hard at hitting the notes, I would definately not like to see that voice thing at karaoke.

I know I work hard at what I do, and to me, it feels like cheating. Being able to sing on key gives me something to strive for and work for

I think even if I was given the option, I would not use it, and if it was being used, I would not want it. I guess just having people coming up to you telling you what a great job you did would make me feel bad (like cheating on a test, getting an A, and your parents buying you a gift).

And if the crowd knew that it was being used, I don't think that anyone would get any compliments, as they may know it is all fixed to make you hit the correct notes.

Again, to each his own, and how you run your show and the equipment you use is up to you. I definately agree that if you have a good sounding system, the customers will return. And, if some people like the way they sound using it and want to use it, all the power to them. Whatever makes you feel good and happy

Have a nice day

Well said ritisroo, and I agree with you a 100%!

ritisroo,

Like I said, they have a choice if they don't want it all they have to do is say it. I try to mix for everyones pleasure.

Personally I don't do contests. IMHO if I used something like this in a contest to give someone an edge over another, then that is cheating. But cheating, is in an atmosphere where you are being tested, or compeating.

Karaoke is supposed to be a leasure fun activity, not a serious death to the finish competition.

I do karaoke for fun, Last saturday I quit my Sat nite gig, because I seriously can't enjoy the type of music they want. I have it all, but between songs they arent happy if it aint headbanging, or rap. Quite frankly not music. But I will have another sat nite gig before this saturday nite. There is no lack of Karaoke gigs in this area.

I do understand that some people take karaoke as a SERIOUS thing, But unless and until They turn professional........

By the way, there are very few artists, live, or recorded that are not using a pitch correction to make them sound good. There are some good artists aout there, But there are none perfect. This thing is not a miracle, if you cant sing, then you cant sing, it just helps a little.

everyone have a great day!

I personally think that it is really cool that you want to make everyone sound like a star I am sure there are a lot of people that would appreciate your gesture, and if it makes them feel good about themselves, then you have done your job

Singing for me, is a personal challange. If there was something fixing my voice, I would have no reason to want to get better I had a chance to by a voice/pitch corrector, but I said no.

And you are right about the pitch correction. Even the perfect singer still has their voice tweaked and fixed to make them sound perfect.

I try to get my song as best as I can without the fix.

Happy singing, and good luck to you

Just checked it. That thing is $700!!! For that sum I would rather add subs to my PA, or get that Driverack 260 and bi-amp my speakers.

Morten