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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:41 pm 
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Does anyone have any experience with Siesmic Audio brand speakers? I only want to hear from those that have heard and or used this brand, I do not want bias from the other brand cheerleaders. i.e. I only want actual evaluations. :?:


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Painthorse @ Thu May 28, 2009 6:41 pm wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with Siesmic Audio brand speakers? I only want to hear from those that have heard and or used this brand, I do not want bias from the other brand cheerleaders. i.e. I only want actual evaluations. :?:


I don't think you're asking the question properly, you should say has anyone ever heard these cheap ebay speakers and if yes, what do you think :roll: I didn't, so I can't help, but just by looking at the price I have a pretty good idea how they can sound :wink:


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If you do not meet the qualifications as specified in the post, then please do us all a favor and do not reply to the post. I don't care if you are graduate of MIT ar a sound engineer. If you have not tested or evaluated these speakers then you are not contributing anythin to this forum.


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Painthorse @ Thu May 28, 2009 7:21 pm wrote:
If you do not meet the qualifications as specified in the post, then please do us all a favor and do not reply to the post. I don't care if you are graduate of MIT ar a sound engineer. If you have not tested or evaluated these speakers then you are not contributing anythin to this forum.


You know, I'm really amazed to see how arrogant you can be just after 2 posts :roll: You know something, I wasn't going to post anything cause I have never heard of this brand but for some reason, I had a feeling you were going to answer me that way :!: You see, I would normally say welcome to someone who comes on board but for you, I'd say you are not welcome!! I don't think this forum needs people like you but it's not for me to decide :roll:


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I asked a question about a brand of speaker and you give me an evaluation (personal unfounded statement using E Bay and price) as to your "Opinion". I am new to this forum, but I was hoping to get an answer that I or anyone else who might have heard of these speakers could use for shopping information. Sometimes folks just want to buy some cabs that don't cost a lot for their own type of venue which they have not stated.
Some folks read the questions and actually answer what was asked, but some forum members do not and that is a waste of everyones time.
If you do not know the answer then do not raise your hand.


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Painthorse @ Thu May 28, 2009 8:13 pm wrote:
I asked a question about a brand of speaker and you give me an evaluation (personal unfounded statement using E Bay and price) as to your "Opinion". I am new to this forum, but I was hoping to get an answer that I or anyone else who might have heard of these speakers could use for shopping information. Sometimes folks just want to buy some cabs that don't cost a lot for their own type of venue which they have not stated.
Some folks read the questions and actually answer what was asked, but some forum members do not and that is a waste of everyones time.
If you do not know the answer then do not raise your hand.


It's simply the way you asked, that's all :roll: Of course my answer wasn't what you were looking for but I'm sure there's a better way to ask :!: Not sure you'll have a lot of people who have heard these speakers but they might want to give you their opinion based on their passed experienced with similar brands... But I guess the newbie has decided it's not the way it should be :!:


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Seems like you just like being a jerk Mickey. I don't see anything wrong with how she stated her question. What does her only having 2 post have anything to do with you giving an answer exactly how she asked not to do. These speakers may very well sound like shiite, but you still answered the post with no real information for her, just a lecture.

By the way Painthorse, welcome to the forum. You will find that many of the people here are not jerks, and will give you great information.

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fsapienjr @ Thu May 28, 2009 9:40 pm wrote:
Seems like you just like being a jerk Mickey. I don't see anything wrong with how she stated her question. What does her only having 2 post have anything to do with you giving an answer exactly how she asked not to do. These speakers may very well sound like shiite, but you still answered the post with no real information for her, just a lecture.

By the way Painthorse, welcome to the forum. You will find that many of the people here are not jerks, and will give you great information.

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Hey, thanks for the compliment Felix :wink: And BTW, your answer doesn't fit her criteria, so like SHE said, I suggest you do everyone a favor and NOT reply to the post :roll:


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I was going to ignore this thread, but since Mickey tried to supply some clue to it and was subsequently thrown under the bus, I feel obligated now.

http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/Pai ... -155.2.htm

That is a really stupid speaker design. The horns will be canceling each-other at various frequencies & distances right in front of the speaker, to say nothing of horizontal coverage.

http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/Pai ... sa-15t.htm

Here's a box that runs the 15" driver up to 3000Hz and then only rolls it off at 12dB/octave. They state the peak power handling is only twice the RMS power. Smells like a cheap woofer or bad port tuning, or both. Oh yeah, and plywood is maybe not the best material to use for building speakers.

http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/Pai ... a-toa8.htm

I have seen stuff like this before, and it was not terrible. I haven't seen anything similar in a 2x4 configuration, though; 1x8 would be more typical.

http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/Pai ... a-155t.htm

The 3000Hz cross-over returns. I am tempted to buy a set of these, only because they are even cheaper than the Kustoms I own and like. However, based on their other products, I am betting this company has some real idiots designing their boxes, though. I'd seriously buy them if they could be bi-amped and the cut sheet included the weight of the box; but again, I'd only do it because I am not afraid to risk wasting $300 on something I'll immediately return, throw away, or sell.

If you need something that works right the first time, I'd stay away. If you can afford to experiment, maybe give this box a try. I'm curious to know how the transition from the 15" drivers to horns sounds. Probably can be fixed with EQ. Whether the boxes last long or not, who knows.

This, your friendly post from yet another person who "doesn't qualify for your thread." Oh yeah, and listen to Mickey, he is smart.

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I don't think mickey was being a jerk- just responding to a rudely asked question. Not one "please" or "thank you", just "I WANT, "I DON'T WANT", "I ONLY WANT".

kinda makes sense. Canadians have manners and etiquette, los angelans, well...... :roll:


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jeffsw6 @ Thu May 28, 2009 11:01 pm wrote:
I was going to ignore this thread, but since Mickey tried to supply some clue to it and was subsequently thrown under the bus, I feel obligated now.

http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/Pai ... -155.2.htm

That is a really stupid speaker design. The horns will be canceling each-other at various frequencies & distances right in front of the speaker, to say nothing of horizontal coverage.

http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/Pai ... sa-15t.htm

Here's a box that runs the 15" driver up to 3000Hz and then only rolls it off at 12dB/octave. They state the peak power handling is only twice the RMS power. Smells like a cheap woofer or bad port tuning, or both. Oh yeah, and plywood is maybe not the best material to use for building speakers.

http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/Pai ... a-toa8.htm

I have seen stuff like this before, and it was not terrible. I haven't seen anything similar in a 2x4 configuration, though; 1x8 would be more typical.

http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/Pai ... a-155t.htm

The 3000Hz cross-over returns. I am tempted to buy a set of these, only because they are even cheaper than the Kustoms I own and like. However, based on their other products, I am betting this company has some real idiots designing their boxes, though. I'd seriously buy them if they could be bi-amped and the cut sheet included the weight of the box; but again, I'd only do it because I am not afraid to risk wasting $300 on something I'll immediately return, throw away, or sell.

If you need something that works right the first time, I'd stay away. If you can afford to experiment, maybe give this box a try. I'm curious to know how the transition from the 15" drivers to horns sounds. Probably can be fixed with EQ. Whether the boxes last long or not, who knows.

This, your friendly post from yet another person who "doesn't qualify for your thread." Oh yeah, and listen to Mickey, he is smart.


Thanks Jeff, I would have liked to help her by giving her some advise on the brand or how they get to these prices but man, what a way to ask and talk about the attitude :roll:


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jreynolds @ Fri May 29, 2009 12:23 am wrote:
I don't think mickey was being a jerk- just responding to a rudely asked question. Not one "please" or "thank you", just "I WANT, "I DON'T WANT", "I ONLY WANT".

kinda makes sense. Canadians have manners and etiquette, los angelans, well...... :roll:


That's really my point, you want to know something, fine, but please be opened to learn from experienced peaople and maybe, I say maybe you'll have someone who had tested the brand...

PS. Not really sure why I was called a Jerk :roll: I'm not here that often and I sometime get mixed up with the other mouse :wink: Hey, not saying the other mouse is a Jerk but just wondering why he's saying that about me :roll: Well, I guess you can't please everyone :wink: Thanks for the support :D


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I don't think there was anything wrong in the way the question was asked. She had a particular set of parameters. If someone had the information she wanted, fine, if not, the thread dies.

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Bad enough when someone who has some seniority comes on here and is rude and snide but a newbie? Learn some manners and then come back and ask nicely!

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One more comment and then I'm done. If we voted to kick someone off the island, I would vote wholeheartedly to kick this one off. Arrogant is a very good word to describe Painthorse.

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Painthorse is wichasa not winchala. Jeff, I could not find any specs and drawings for the SA's like you can for the name brands. I appreciate the info.
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Painthorse @ Fri May 29, 2009 3:26 pm wrote:
I could not find any specs and drawings for the SA's like you can for the name brands.

I looked as well, but honestly there are a lot of speakers out there that do not provide a good cut sheet, frequency response graph, identify their testing method, etc. I will use my Kustom 215H cabinets as an example. I don't even know what the x-over frequency is (I guess I could find out if I cared) and definitely I haven't seen a graph. I took a chance on them and I am happy with my purchase, though.

At the opposite end of the spectrum (is that a pun?), Danley provides a ton of information on their products and test methods. Also, their specs are based on actual tests, not just what the computer says should happen at so many watts, etc. Danley is also pretty expensive, and they are selling their products to a clientel that is quite different from KJs and bar bands.

I have Behringers with little more information than what is provided by these Siesmic Audio folks.

Anyway, if you buy any of their stuff, I would get that 2x15 box with only one horn, not the crazy dual horn contraption. I am curious as to how it sounds, but not so curious that I will buy a set. I just received my new JBLs and my gear budget for the next month or two is pretty much spent! :)

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