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A Northern (specifically lancastrian) term for a fool, roughly equivalent to the modern term 'muppet'

not really and insult, almost a term of endearment

Pronounced like 'a-peth' (longish A)

Origin: Shortening of a daft 'alfpenny.



put kettle on, yer daft apeth.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Mona a music store that sells music doesnt get all bitter and twisted if I walk in there and totally ignore hip hop in favour of jazz and blues. No-one is gonna bounce me cos I abhor Billy Holiday...so I am not sure that this is any different. Its different strokes for different folks.
The only difference here is that becos I interact with people I tend to listen to songs out of respect for those who are singing them, that I wouldnt normally listen to. This is a good thing, a learning curve. I have even learned and sung songs that I wouldnt normally have sung. All positive experiences. In that respect have I lost sight of what the site is about? Hell no!
But sorry honey no-one is gonna force me to listen to the rude ignorant ones who cant be bothered to acknowledge...been there got the t-shirt and wore it out

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

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Well, I guess, like in real life, we don't have to agree with everybody on everything. I can only talk for myself and say that I don't listen to someone's song, just because she/he is my friend, but because I like what I hear. I have to admit that I have my favorites I always listen to and others I listen and comment, because it's part of the game. But this game is not fair sometimes...

I've heard it not only once that people spend a lot of time on making comments, but not much is coming back. I also know of people that only click on the listen button, just to pretend they listened, comment, but some seconds later they also commented on the next and next and next...10 minutes later they already commented on the whole site.
Some don't even click on the button, but are tellin' you how good the song was. Not fair at all...

Maybe I take it too serious, as Phil said, put a lot of work and time into my singing and recordings, like some others I know do too...who knows [/font]

That's bound to happen when you change your username. I've done that. (Lol, a few times) If I were to sub now many people I've known for quite a while here would think "who the heck is MandiLynn?". When I first changed my name to.. oh, heck, I think it was when it went from BlueStainedShoes to Lil Mizz Attitude... I didn't get any comments until I went around doing my own, then all of a sudden people came to my song saying "hey, you changed your name, didn't know it was you".... Mark just needs to hang with the new name until people catch on, that's all.



Okay, byotch (there's that daym B-word) , that's not EXACTLY the definition I found while googling. So, no, keep your daft comments to yourself... Charmin doesn't want them;)

I am silly, yes, I try to be- it makes ya live longer & look younger in the process. But I don't care to be called ignorant nor stupid- in any language. So back at ya.

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♥ Laugh your heart out, dance in the rain. Cherish the memories, ignore the pain. Love and learn, forget and forgive. Because you only have one life to live. ♥

Daft girl going back on topic:

I don't ONLY comment to those who comment to me... I try to give fair listens all around the front page (when time permits). But, that being said, since I am not currently an active member in there.. what little time I have, I listen FIRST to songs I like/singers I like and whose voice I enjoy.

When being an active member and commenting regularly...I would never limit it to what kind of music I like to hear. As a singing site, I think we should indeed give fair listens to all who post.

But, I gotta agree, if you go to someone's page time and again and comment- and that person does not bother to reply to those comments on their songs EVER... I'll drift off from commenting there. I may listen- if it's someone I enjoy- but I wont comment just to be unanswered.

Back to work for me..... bye guys. (gals)

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♥ Laugh your heart out, dance in the rain. Cherish the memories, ignore the pain. Love and learn, forget and forgive. Because you only have one life to live. ♥

Regarding *ideally* what "should" be, and "what would be nice"-

You are in fact correct, but I'm quite certain in terms of "psychology" applied to such fun sites on the Internet, folks are (for the most part) members for THEIR own selfish fun/gain, meaning people in such social "fun" situations will always exercize favoritism. Realistically, NOT all will have an equal shot of getting picked on others team (so-to-speak), there's a cost and investment issue involved here.. People invest time, and it costs them some time too.. People are going to go out've their way to make certain that they reap the rewards they wish from these sites, ie.. "right to pick and choose" is certainly NOT going to begin to change on these types of Internet singing sites, (except for the few that are VERY fair, objective, and perhaps inidividuals we'd hope would be seated Judges during what we wish to see as a "fair" objective trial situation) few are THAT objective.. There's also no reason to be in such a fun setting. While I try to live by "Do unto others" in as many cases as I deem reasonable, this is one of the ethical rules I break as well on these sites, basically, I DO what I want to do.. (meaning also come and go as I choose) .  I'll be honest, I'm here, and I'm here because I WANTED to join, but not because EVERYBODY here matters to me.

In an ideal situation, pointing out the existence of bias towards ones friends, might curtail such favoritism, but given the nature of this type internet interest site, and social circles even in REAL life- folks are going to gravitate towards those they want to.  Listen only to selections they feel like listening to (for whatever reason this is, it's usually also of a selfish nature). Politically the Internet isn't the first choice to seek what's "correct"-  It's for our own selfish gain- and a reprieve from the politically correct world in some cases... (except when it comes to getting something personally out've an exerience).. Folks ARE selfish.  I suppose if they are moderating THEIR own site however, they might wish not to display favoritism, here why should they really care assuming they are getting what they want out've this experience ?

You are correct, but there's no solution to what you are mentioning.  In a private situation given such anonymity who would you expect to invest additional time listening to those they really don't wish to listen to in most cases ?

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

I agree with you, Vicki.  Common courtesy is a social norm and give and take one of life’s simple rules. We all have a limited amount of time to spend on the site...some more than others, granted.  

I think it’s human nature to invest time primarily in those who invest in us.  In between, we can listen to the newcomers.  From day one on my first submission (and knowing nothing about karaoke sites) I knew that it was simply good manners to comment on others if you put up a song that allows for comments.  I can’t think of a single case when I have ever ignored anyone who has taken time for me…not so much tit for tat but as a general rule.  If someone subs three songs on the same page am I going to listen to each and every sub? - probably not since I rarely have more than one up per page myself and only sub three times a week average.  Many times I’ve taken the initiative to welcome new members by listening to and commenting on their subs. I also notice that some newer members who participate by commenting on others get noticed pretty quickly.  Those who merely sub and run don’t get much attention no matter how good they are.  When people habitually ignore others (not just me) on the site by never commenting, I assume they are rude and/or arrogant and move on.  I have just so many hours in the day.  Nobody can say I don’t participate here.  You are the same - you’ve always supported many on the site including newbies since you first subbed here and I appreciate that.  Some say they have no time to listen.  We all go through periods when we have more time and other periods when we may have less time to listen due to family, jobs, etc.  I don’t hold that against people by ignoring their subs when they generally do comment on others when they’re around – we can all go through a rough patch for some reason or another.  I actually wish people would continue to sub for comments instead of "L" when they go through a period like that...when the chips are down I still want to support them, though I think it speaks well of that person's character that they don't expect comments if they can't be around to comment.  What bugs me is the people who NEVER seem to have time or inclination to listen to anyone else, yet they sub under OTHER than “L” demonstrating they expect to receive comments.  I have to assume they are lacking in social graces or have a very high opinion of themselves.  I’ll qualify everything I’ve just said by saying that if these people sub songs but don’t care if they receive any comments in return and don’t complain about it, then that’s an ENTIRELY different story.  Everyone is entitled to participate at any level they feel comfortable, as long as they don’t complain if they don’t receive attention.  We all have our own reasons for being here but SHARING music is the key word for me.

Charmin, I see nothing wrong with you listening to the singers you like best as your priority.  You’ve always been very fair and when you sub for comments you always take time for many others on the site.  When you sub under “L” I still listen to you because I love your voice but also because you’re a fair-minded person.

er Charm did you not get to the part that says ITS A TERM OF ENDEARMENT!!!

my husband is English he uses it at me all the time...the english are a queer breed

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Ah, thanks Deb. After posting here, I thought... hmmmm... people are gonna misinterpret what I said.

To clarify: Lately (last several months) I've pretty much went cold turkey from subbing- I've only done it a few times. For personal reasons I don't want to go into. That being said, there are lots of people on SS I still like to listen to. Either cause I love listening to them, or they've done a song I really like, or just cause I always enjoyed interacting with them and want to hear what they're up to. I DON'T comment right now for the simple fact that imo it would be rude to SHOW my picking and choosing. And really, I don't have time to go down the whole front page normally.

If I'm subbing, that's not the way I listen. I will firstly make sure I pay a listen back to those who visited me- not that anyone expects it, but that's my own preference. Then I grab some of my favorites (either songs or singers)... then I try to make the rest of the front page. And too, at times when I first sub, I'll skim the front page for those who don't have many comments. Curiosity for one makes me do that- can't figure why, with all the people on SS each day, that some hit the bottom of the page with so few listens. And some of them are DANG good subs.

Heck, I do different things on different days (when I subbed anyhow).... but there will always be certain singers you just like to hear, certain genres you prefer. That goes for anywhere.

But, as to the point of this thread- it IS a sight to sub songs and listen to others, and it does seem unfair to see so many get so little comments. (some of the people who get only a few... I've known here for quite a while... they are not newbies, and are very nice people, just here to associate, like we all are) Skim over those who sub-n-run, but everyone spending a day (or half) on SS, should take the time to give a few extra listens to those with low numbers. I'd hate to see some of those people leave.

And thanks for the nice sentiment Deb- and back at ya:) Now isn't it about time you sing another Emmylou?  :D

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♥ Laugh your heart out, dance in the rain. Cherish the memories, ignore the pain. Love and learn, forget and forgive. Because you only have one life to live. ♥

... go google it;)

I was just wanting to use the B-word, and you gave me a good oportunity. (makes me feel all grown up)  :whistle:

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♥ Laugh your heart out, dance in the rain. Cherish the memories, ignore the pain. Love and learn, forget and forgive. Because you only have one life to live. ♥

Also, If folks ask for opinions  or help on a style I feel I might be able to offer my opinion keeping a reasonable amount of objectivity I will always listen.  Consider how many are in certain peoples closer friend networks tho, and how long listening and commenting takes.  How many listens with comments can a person realistically do even assuming they have a spare hour to listen between 10-15 ?  As stated some wish to give first notice to those that reciprocate with them. Another consideration is that I gave what I could during a time prior to ME being the one in the *Critiqued party* hotseat ..  I doled it out, and now I'm showing that I can also take it, but I feel more importantly, I don't want people listening out've feelings of any obligation.. My needs from listeners are pretty "High Maint prissy ho" lately  LMAO .. Kappy <----Not the standard Singers Showcase participant, but a needy Byotch now with special needs.  I've been devoting SO much time to trying to :do: this myself, this isn't the best time for me to be critiquing others  IMHO...  My biggest fear is that out've feelings of obligation somebody might listen to my attempts and tell me I'm "pretty good"... Worst thing for me to hear at this point...

A)   I'm still a non-singer struggling to learn and trying hard to become a singier.
B)   I've been so frustrated trying to learn lately, if somebody tells me I'm a "7" I'll
      get arrogant, and end up in the showcase collecting "10"s and clinging to them
       for dear life... problem is- this will happen at the expense of me EVER learning
       how to sing ~. I'll need to be "The best" in the showcase getting more ++++'s
        after my "10" than anyone else... ( I will count them, and lose sleep over too
       few).  I just can be THAT good when it comes to keeping a certain amount of
        perspective

Different time periods, different mindsets, amounts of free time, etc..

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Debbie, I agree with your assessements and ideas about it 100%

Don't they come first ?  :)


It's interesting,  now that I'm sub'ing about 6 songs per day I'm also realizing responding to those that listen (and take the time to comment in addition to getting to know them DOES take time) even if it means responding to both of them ... So in my case, there's Work+5 hours of singing per day+ doing-redoing+ processing helpful comments, heck, No wonder I've been getting PM's and Emails from folks in here asking me if I died.

In a sense, HOW can one respond to, listen to, comment to 10-20 members daily reciprocating, AND have time to cover the newbies too ?  That's time consuming

btw.. Don't some of you "burn out" listening to amateur singing attempts too -after  perhaps a few hours ? It can be stressful.  A few I listen to in hopes of helping (in another site) are VERY tough to stomach and respond to constructively, THAT takes TIME !   ( Yet I'm sure THEY must take MUCH more time listening and responding to me- not to mention they likely sleep with a box of Tums and Maalox)  LMAO

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

[font=Comic Sans MS]It's not stressful if they are good (which means not, that they have to be perfect), but it can be very stressful (hurtful is the better word), if they can't hit a note...But that happens to me only once, [/font]

Singers Showcase given it's large membership has an EXTREMELY high percentage of people that are at least "decent" singers.  MUCH MUCH higher in fact than most other sites.  In most sites the higher percentage is tough to listen to     I blend into such sites quite well !  In fact I'll be going on tour next month..  There's a contest in a few cemetaries to see who can actually wake up the dead, or cause various musicians to roll over in their coffins

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Kappy you too are a daft apeth...and I say this lovingly...the improvement in your subs from whoa to now is huge

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Woah...can open....worms all over the place...

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Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Knowledge is limited.

Imagination encircles the world...

I figured as much,  My nose is cold, stuffy, and my ears hurt.  Need to go to CVS and get some meds to knock it out !  Must be the AC in this place- blows on my head at night


(That Lancster stuff confuzzles me anyway.  Most British I learned was from watching "King Ralph")

Figure I'm more of the Liverpoodle type ~

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

well you can consider Liverpool, Manchester etc north

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Personally, I would love to spend more time in SS -- lots of great music to be heard there, and fun to Submit my own material. But I simply don't have time to COMMENT IN DETAIL to all the GREAT subs (and there are many), or reply to the comments on my subs

If it was socially acceptable to just comment "applause" then I would do that. But it would look stupid on my profile to have a ton of comments that were all the same

Don't get me wrong... I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SOCIAL ASPECT IN SS. It's so much more personal than youtube etc. and most of the performances are great -- even if they're only "so-so" they're GREAT because I've come to know the person!

Bottom line for me: not enough time to devote to SS comments; and time to record, mix, and upload. I'll have to cancel my "sub"scription. Maybe I'll have more time later.

Back to the original post: yeh, it kinda sucks to have 8 people applauding and others have 28. Maybe if the main page had a column for "views" then it would look (feel) better. BTW, it may be more clear if this database field were named "listens" instead of "views"

It's still fun to listen to other's submissions!  :)