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I play fill music between singers, and usually between rotations I'll either play a full song, or a video.  If the rotation is super small (like last weened) then I'll play several songs and a video between the rotations to spread everything out.  When the rotation is only 6 or 7 people, by the time person 7 is done singing, person 1 might not have decided on their next song yet.  So sometime I can't help but play some songs between rotations.  I'm sure as hell not going to have dead air... I can't stand that!  Don't get me wrong, if the rotation is long enough and the slips/requests flow in smoothly, I'll just keep the rotations going with like 1 full song in between.  That's how my crowd knows that we're back to the top.

i agree with just snippets of music to keep the mood upbeat and to advertise to the "undecided singers" some bands or singers like the Beatles or whomever.
The snippets alone are a great selling-tool.

When we get busy then the filler music is OUT most of the time. Every once in awhile i shout of our venues' name and relevant information ("once again ladies & gentlemen you are at...., our drink specials tonight are...and karaoke nights are...)

I also mix up the filler music to advertise different genres of music (oldies, country, hip hop, etc) when we begin the show. Not everyone comes to the bar on karaoke-night for karaoke- we gotta keep the non-singers people drinking too!

A few places I go to have filler so the singer's walking to the stage.  But some places give more songs between singers if slow time, and even the KJ does songs when he wants too.   And mostly at the Midnite hour there's a 15 minute dancing time where they play the Electric Slide, Ride that Train, and Crank that Soulja Boy where the 5 drunk girls and the one guy who thinks if he's dancing with her he'll have a better chance of doing other things with her later.

But the cheesy sound effects, Ugh

Hello!  I love playing music between singers and usually if a singer sings a song that is making the crowd go wild, I will play a song in the same genre as what the singer sang....but for the most part I keep it upbeat and fun all night long!!

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Quick question that kind of relates to this topic...
Has or does anyone use a sampler for this?  Stay with me now...
To understand where I'm coming from, before I was a KJ, I was (and still am) a sound technician for a performing arts center.  I have always wanted to get a sampler and feed a line into it so I can record a small snipit of the end of a song (in the theatre, it would be used for a choir or musical performance) and then as the audience is (hopefully) applauding, I can play back the tail end of the song again, or maybe the chorus.  My rational for this is that I've "seen" this done on TV programs such as music awards and such.  I've always wanted to try it, but don't really want to fork out the $$ if I decide that I don't like it or it doesn't work the way I want it too, or whatever.

I hope that made enough sense to someone that they can respond to it.

I used to (a may again) record the entire song & play back some of it at the rnd of the performance.  It's technically illegal, but I know many places that do & alot of our old regs are going to those places now to get a free cd of themselves.

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I start my show with 4-5 tracks (DJ), usually country, pop, or rock depending on the crowd.  My rotation zips along (computerized), and I generally use the outros to give props and call the next singer up.  I'll let the next song start if the singer isn't up yet; it serves as a kick in the butt ... I'll restart when they've situated.  I close my show with 4-5 bumps (DJ - Dance).  I don't play music between singers, I'm too busy making an (@$%&#!) out of myself.  

On the topic of karaoke purism ... I've said this before and I'll say it 1000 times over.  Karaoke is simply a lure - like the tables, boards, and hot bartenders.  Karaoke nights are parties ... period.  I consider myself the MC of the party.  If I only cater to my karaoke crowd, I'm providing a disservice to 80% of the patrons at the bar.  Most people hang out with their friends, some of whom like to sing.  I make sure everyone sings during the prime hours of the show, but reserve the first and last 15 minutes to rock the joint.  I may do a couple of two song sets somewhere in the show if the rotation is light enough (doesn't happen too often).

Thanks.  What part makes it illeagal?

DJ Tuck: Illegality comes in with reproducing someone else's music without their permission. You can look at past threads about recording singers with copyrighted music and find a gazillion opinions.

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Because you don't have the legal right to re-record a song (karaoke versions included) - even if it's for 'fun' or 'personal' use, the fact that you did it in a commercial setting ie a bar/club  makes it commercial, someone made money off the fact that you were there recording.  Now the ignorant will come & try to claim it's not for profit, but the bar is essentially profiting.   Try to justify all you want (many do - oh it's only for educational purposes to try to teach them how to sing), it's not legal, but is done more often than people like to think.

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Lonman I had a look at your website (great by the way) you have singers recorded some really good voices. Did you record live or in Studio, and what about the legallities of posting on a public website?

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Brian

Those were all done in my studio before I sold it.  As far as posting on the website, technically it's illegal as well as the initial recording, no different than the many sites that allow to record & put up the song for others to listen to.

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Lonnie I am not  trying to stir up the pot. After hours of googling and reading these sites that provide a service for obtaining a license for recording. They all say one thing. One recording or re-creation does not require a license for it is not considered distribution.

Now if you project it on the web, is this legal re-production considered distribution? The present laws or legislation does not pertain to the internet as per se.

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I believe the web placement is considered public access, especially if it's a downloadable file, which I didn't have streaming capability.  Although some local web podcasters have been shut down for even streaming however this was using original music.  So i'm willing to bet it's not technically legal to do so.  Honestly don't know, the SIngers SHowcase is the same type except it streams rather than downloads.

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streaming music on the web is considered broadcasting- ask any radio station who has to pay fees for both radio broadcasting music and internet streaming of their radio station.  the FCC considered it two seperate broadcasts of their signal and therefore they needed to pay two broadcast fees...

As a  former CE (chief engineer) and employee of the broadcast  industry you do not know what the hell you are talking about. You sit here and guess and make assumptions. Are you telling me the bed music under commercials have to pay fees? When we film and record an interview who the hell do we need to pay fees to
?  (the people we record) It is a legal recording and the FCC or nobody else has a say about it. This is America not china. PERIOD>

BTW The FCC has to adhere to legislated laws and to prosecute somebody has to spend thousands of dollars in investigation. If you really think they are considering karaoke shows then you suffer from megomania...

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I said nothing about music under commercials- have another drink... I really have no idea where you think I said anything about music beds, recorded interviews etc.. I was simply responding to the streaming music and licensing... I also never said anything about them considering karaoke shows... the issue I was making was the fact that radio stations have to pay two music royalty payments when they dual broadcast their MUSIC over the air and also on then net.  There have been a number of stations in just The portland market who pulled their streaming signals because of this... off the deep end we go....

yeah I am full of crap... here is the new licensing agreements between just BMI and radio industry.  This applies to new fees and licensing that covers everything from streaming internet radio, podcasts, ringtones, mp3 players, mobile phone music streaming and downloading, public performances, restaurants and bars and more... there are a number of large radio stations in this area who did not want to pay for new streaming licensing so they dropped their simultaneous signal broadcast online and instead offer services such as using their websites to get info on the songs being played on the radio- artist, song title, album etc... I have added other links regarding other digital technologies and services to show what the industry has already agreed to and where things are headed....
thanks for playing...

tig


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tig

Tigrr27,
I know and others know what YOU are talking about here. You make perfect sense brother. And you support your opinions with facts and reasonable logic.

It's the insecure "don't-have-their-facts-straight" and "have to make hard false opinions and state them as "facts" (PERIOD) ramblings" of some here on THE SCENE that makes me visit only occasionally now....

IT IS a nice place to visit, but i wouldn't want to live here with grumpy old ignorant individuals that don't know how to conduct themselves personally or professionally.

And TO THINK some people believe that wisdom comes with age...not if your heads' stuck in the, uh...ground.  Civility still counts in this country despite the ramblings of a few.....