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I need to add another personal thought to this.  I recently started learning to sing, and singing in public via computer for the first time literally the night before last.. Here's what I WILL NOT do (because a certain amount of judgment on OUR OWN part comes into play when we leave ourselves vulnerable by exposing a real part of ourselves such as our singing voice). I will not submit in the Showcase yet. NOR would it be smart for me to sub for PUBLIC Critique.  Do people actually think first about what they are doing when they submit for Critique in a large forum such as the showcase ?  Do they make allowances for the fact that MOST don't even know what the term means ?  You leave yourself vulnerable, but it's up to you to decide for yourself..  I won't even submit in THIS forum I started yet.. Because some things are just counterproductive... There's such a thing as more private critiquing. You can actually request certain people that know where you're coming from to help you.. A good reason to do this is that it lestens the chances you are allowing yourself to become a kickball...  People need to think about what they are doing when they sub for PUBLIC Critique in a huge open forum.. Personally, I think it takes a tough person to do that, but I see little benefit in sub'ing for C in a venue where most don't know or wish to offer it.. Again BOTH parties MUST know their own boundaries and limits..  OF COURSE you are vulnerable when you sing.. I AM, I expose a real part of myself... Just like certain information, it's not always wise to share it with ALL initially !!  In some cases ever.  I'm not hiding, I just don't wish to become subject for a feeding frenzy for rubberneckers.. To me singing isn't to get attention,  it's something I want to learn to do FOR ME..  Nothing more..  I have nothing to "Showcase" to all..

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Listen only is a good option if you want to sub and seriously dont have the time Perry, there is nothing wrong with it

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

you make it sound like you were trying to get into her knickers dahlin

 Really? Because she had a sweet voice? I just really wanted to tell her that she wasn't reaching the high notes, because nobody else would.
Hell, I probably sound like I'm trying to get in every woman's pants around here anyways...  I ain't had sex for a month!  LMAO

Ya know what honey they arent totally honest there either...I can have 20 odd absolutely fantastic comments who all tell me I am beyond compare, yet someone has ranked me a 7   thing is, I am a 7 but why the hell fluff me and tell me different, why not have the courage of their convictions and explain why they are giving that rank

I don't think anyone is qualified to give a rank around here. Those who believe that their 9-10 ranking here really means something, needs a serious reality check. Not saying that they aren't that good, just meaning that the one's who gave the rank weren't qualified enough to impose it. Whenever I hear a really good singer, I think they're a 10, but in reality, I don't know what I'm talking about, so I try to avoid most subs under the dreaded "C".

actually babe I am one of those people...the way I see it is this...if you have time to record you have time to respond to comments left you...or to listen to some others. While I havent got the time then I am not gonna sub...well that and the fact I have no voice anyway

Not really so Vicki. Y'all know how long it takes me to record a so-so version of a song to put up here. Hell, I tell everything about my life except what time of the day I $h*t, shower, and shave. Sometimes the music thing takes hours. After re-listening, re-singing, re-listening, re-singing several times on a 5 1/2 min. song, I'm used up, and it's still just so-so. Then, there's my real job that takes me away from home for a couple days at a time. Then there are my main priorities at home to deal with whenever I do get home. Then there's maybe 10 to 15 comments on a song to reply to when I get home, and I don't like to give short, generic, thank you replies to anyone. Then there's the courtesy of listening to others who make the time to listen and comment to me, and others to listen to. Sometimes I think this place is more suited to singles, housewives, retirees, or anyone else who just doesn't have much going on to be able to spend so much time here. If people are really sincere about listening to me, they'll continue to listen under the "L". It might also take away a burden from them that they don't have to fluff me any longer.
I think I know who the sincere ones are, and I know the ones who don't remember me until I show up on one of theirs too.

I can still be interactive here subbing under "L", I just won't have to worry about how bad or good I was.

hi, i sub under C hoping at least 1 person will be honest with me, and as long as they give me a 10 i feel they're being honest....ll....any less than a 10 and i think they're getting even with me....kkk....i do feel some r being honest...

PC? u say before u go out singing live u practice, what do u practice? just the song itself? r are there certain things u work on as ur singing....and if so before u go out do u feel that ur practice helped you. and  because of that practice u will sing better?

r is what ur calling practice really just going over a song to feel more comfortable with it before u get up to sing it...nothing wrong with that it's just not practice....

to me i would make sure that the song i was going to sing, r songs, were in the right key for me....that's a biggie, if ur straining to hit notes a lot then my bets it's a tad too high, there's no shame in lowering a key....

breath control......first of all i never go out and sing a song for the first time.....unless it's just goofin off....
each song has a lot to learn about it....where do u take breaths ? where do u take the deeppppp breaths?  the high notes...for some,  low notes....

to me if ur prepared before singing a song the rest will flow pretty well...ur much more relaxed so ur able to sing better....

on stage is NOT the place to fix things, r try new things.....go with what u know...practice at home....

some feel u have to be 100% before u get up to sing....if that were the case i would never sing....u have good nights bad nights everyone does....no biggie...

expecting too much breeds stress, just relax have fun...

i think some have a gift to sing....born with it....others have talent to sing, while others  have all the above, some have to work their butts off just to stay on key and no matter how hard they work it doesn't seem to get any easier...that's the way it is with everything......

i found out a longgg time ago, that there are tons better then i am, that in itself made it easier for me to get up and sing for the first time...i wasn't the best but i wasn't the worst either...but even if u r the worst that doesn't mean u have to stay the worst...
u may have just been in a room full of ringers that night....

a friend of mine asked me to go out to karaoke with him 1 night, i had never gone before...we went i got up and sang and got down....he said i sounded great i think i sucked, but all clapped....so it was ok....i could tell he wanted sooooo bad to get up and sing but never did, it took me 2 yrs to get him up to sing....yes he sucked, but he got up there, truth is after that night u couldn't get him down....good r bad he was hooked....as i said he sucked, in every sense of the word...and i told him so, in a nice way.......wasn't long he was asking me after he had sung...if he was the best in the room, r was he second r third best....i told him, my god son u just started singing what do u think? he took the hint....he started recording on his comp...sending to me to critique...and i would be honest with him....well it's been a couple years now and before i would say he was a 3 r 4, not even average...today i'll say he's a solid 7, sometimes an 8,  he's come a long way,

i think singing often is very important, it's kinda like using a hammer, at first it feels kinda funny flopping in ur hand then u learn how to hold it and let ur wrist do most of the work....by doing that u find ur arm doesn't get near as tired....same with singing...sure u need to practice but u have to have fun too, just let go and sing....i found that by just singing u in time fix alotta the problems u have singing, r u find ways around them...r they the right ways? betting not but if they work....
breath control to me anyway is just doing it, finding out what u need to do when and how much to breath then doing it....i know nothing about how to get more air...r the correct way to sing, i just sing...

for me when singing if i happen to take a song some place i hadn't planned on it going yet it sounds good that way...that excites me....that's when i feel i'm learning....

some say, slow down r speed up ur vibrato...yea right...lately i do have better control of it, depending on the key....but it's not something i practice....i'm a lazy singer, if it's gonna take time i find ways around it so it doesn't....that way i can call it all mine....l...not always a good thing...

Steven? i have mixed feelings on what u said about subbing here...if ur waiting till ur good enough to sing on here, then it could be a long wait....r u could be good enough already....personally i think any level of singing talent is fine on here...
if u ask 4 people on here in private what ur singing like and all 4 say u sing fine nothing to worry about...go for it.....would u believe um? r would u want to find 4 more that felt the way u do, that ur not good enough yet....is it an excuse to stay away from being a front man?  
like u said YOU have to confront urself and realize the truth about YOUR own singing...i think as long as u feel and think u suck at singing what someone r anyone else says won't make a difference....
i believe u have to believe in urself,  and if you do really suck, then u have friends like me to tell u so....ll

PC said something about well he can hear himself he knows how good r bad he is he doesn't need anyone to tell him....i disagree, most singers i feel beat themselves down a lot,  believing they can't sing as well as they can....that's normal i think...but what do i know about normal....l....i'll sub a song and know there are alotta things wrong with it, yet no one catches it,....i don't think they're listening to every word to see if it's off r not... i know i don't, i take the whole song in then i let u know how i felt about it....

i found that most of the very good singers r the ones that feel they can't sing very well...and the ones that can't carry a tune feel they can do no wrong...

ok that was JMO....for what it's worth....Billy

Give him an other week; he will be ready.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Agreed !!   It's going to be a VERY long wait.  Thing is Billy,  I have NOTHING to showcase.  I'm not a singer. I'm a person that wants to learn how to sing.  I don't want to perform at something I can't yet do.

Let's follow the logic assuming I start submitting to the showcase.. Naturally people  will tell me, "Damn Kappy, You are Amazing, How come you don't have a line of women at your door, I just listened to you and lost my bladder, I'm head over heels in love with you" (maybe even some females will say the same thing)

I'll get a fathead,  and start saving and framing my 10's, in fact I'll tell people give me my 10 first, and THEN I'll sub.  So the Karaoke Scene Board post count will fall because instead of posting here,  I'll be subbing 40 songs a day in the showcase becoming so competitive that I'll start changing my name to come in just to rank bomb others so I can be the best in Singers Showcase.  Assuming somebody gives me a low rank (such as a 9.8 out've spite), I'll snap and start calling their homes at 4 AM making threats...  Then,  I'll have to go visit at least 100 subs a day that others contribute within the showcase just to give them honest 9.6's telling them that, "In time with some practice you can be as good as me".

Nah,   Why would I possibly wish to sub in the singers showcase ?

Seriously tho Billy,  I have no interest in performing or "pretend singing",  I'm Interested in learning how to sing,  my interest is in BECOMING a singer, not Karaoke as a play thing -

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

I'll give it a 5.

Sorry Chuck,  I didn't even see that earlier post.  I've been too busy with "other stuff" to follow these boards the last few days

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Chuck I am using a proxy server to access KS according to the messages I get when I click on showcase link I need a plug in to get anything to play using proxy server. Can you please post the link so as I can copy and paste it into explorer

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

That's fine, I can live with a 5. That means I can date a 4 or a 5 or a 6. 6's are pretty hot.

I don't care about rank,  I don't want ANY fluff or niceities,  I want to know HOW to sing. What to do, and what not to do to acheive that. I'm not a singer..I want to try to become a singer privately, because showcase mentality only serves as a detriment to someone who takes music seriously and is trying to learn how to sing. too much BS. I'm perfectly content being told "Stick to 3rd or 4th harmony", if that's the best I can do in the opinion of talented vocalists.. If people lie to me, since I can't hear myself as I sound, I'll likely believe some of the lies.. Not a good thing. I want BLUNT !  Nothing less.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Actually I don't like rank much myself.

ah ok well I see that my interest in listening doesnt mean a f**k so I think I am gonna take myself out of here before I say something that I shouldnt as I enter my 6th day without smoking and want to rip someones throat out

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

I want you. If you have some time to do me.  :hug: Congrats on quitting smoking.

I'm not ready for public critiquing yet,  that's the NEXT step.  A few in here are helping me to *LEARN* to sing somewhat privately, I feel vulnerable, and I feel VERY uncomfortable, and I SUCK, and am not ready for recital, public singing, or critiquing yet, I am getting *SINGING LESSONS* currently, and for that reason need to keep it less public because otherwise things get confusing.  In a few days I will enter A song in here but that is not the first step... Things are confusing enough for me as is !  Those that ask, can all get a link, but to ask a WHOLE forum "How do I sing" gets too confusing and is counterproductive.

That being said,  what's happening is no secret, (on a whim discovering I could get K-solo free I joined and stuff started happening spontaneously, thursday night I started trying singing, realizing I don't have a clue, CAN NOT hear myself, and really DO NOT know how to sing what-so-ever I got some tips from a few friends in here HOW to sing and since I NEVER recorded or interacted on a computer before, still have a stock dell 5 year old basic system, cheapo 4 dollar desk mike, no midi fx, etc).. It got to a point where I either share my inability, and fears, or NEVER learn how to sing or share anything..

While I don't wish for Critique yet (because to me critique is something you give a performer),  as a BRAND new singer who REALLY wants HONESTY and nothing less, I'm using this site for singing lessons.. so I can hopefully for the first time in my life be a musician who MIGHT be able to sing..ALL I want is methods, techniques, and shared experience as to HOW a person learns to sing.. I'm not trying to perform, I'm trying to become a "Singer" and not "just karaoke".. but using Karaoke as a means. SO yeah,  I take it seriously, and I AM willing to do the work it takes to become one fraction the vocalists many in here currently are.. I don't want fantasy, fluff, or BS... I want to keep it REAL !!!!  I mean that truly..

http://www.ksolo.com/actions/showSongPr ... uid=391398

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Are many people still having a big problem in SS with the ranking and C/JFF categories?  Things seem quite peaceful compared to late last year!  The idea of utilizing a thread in the Singers Forum for people that want a more serious, in depth critique is a good one. I don't think like I used to that a programming and format change is needed.  Just keep a Critique Corner thread in the Singer's Showcase/Singer's Forum on topic by only allowing posts that are either requests for a critique or the actual critiques themselves. Don't let it get cluttered up with other more off-topic posts like this one!  :) That way people can spot the requests and give/read the critiques more easily.  JMO

Cathi, The cadence :There is love: is as I stated a comfortable landing point for me.. Yet I didn't "Hear" that it sounds better to be totally honest,  I need to learn to listen with objectivity, and not bias, or from perspective of "What I wish to sound like",  It clutters me currently... Even the higher rougher parts to me for some reason sound :better: it's strange,  I need to learn what to listen for, I'm having a tough time listening clearly..  Lena stated something REALLY helpful which is leave a song up for about a day before removing it, and this is true because it DOES enable me a chance to get used to something listening with more objectivity..Billy, I was honestly never able to tell that my use of "How" with the false-headvoice was too high,  I assumed I should push my singing up. I assumed incorrectly, I just CAN'T hear these things yet and this is why I need all you !   Jian,  No speakers ? Just headphones ?  I didn't know that, thanks.. I'll reread the 50-50 balance blend


ALL,  Thanks for your honesty !   I have stuff to process, and learning to do !  Again HONESTY is ALL I want... Nothing less, NO fluff... All appeciated thus-far, all taken with respect, I just can't tell these things myself.

Cathi, and Chuck.

Chuck mentioned possibly second tenor range,  Mikey mentioned Baritone, I don't know yet.. My comfort area is about B below middle C ?  I think the "THere is LOve" part falls on "D" around there or D a tone above middle C... Or is this technically BELOW middle C ?   Where does this fall on a keyboard ?

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There are definitely quite a few members on SS who are qualified and willing to give honest, in-depth critique for anyone that asks. Singers like Paula, aka Oneofakind, have given out very objective feedback to those of us who have not had vocal lessons or given professional performances...done thru the Showcase and PMs.  

Has Paula been able to give very open and honest critique to somebody that wishes for very open and honest critique even at the expense of saying,  :That song doesn't work for you IMHO: ?  If Critique can actually exist in the Showcase (I mean short of some of what Listener X has done behind ANONYMITY up til recently) things have VASTLY changed.. Critique has not worked in the past in the showcase. Fact is, a person risks being the target of harbored resentment in being honest to some that still submit under "C". This I know as fact.  Fortuneately nobody has dared to Critique a few of these individuals as yet, however it's a stepping on a landmine scenerio awaiting to happen

Anyway,  I'm done talking about the showcase.  It doesn't work for those of us that wish for GENUINE I MEAN TOTAL honesty to try to become a "singer".. I'm here to learn to sing now.. and have moved my attempts over the past couple of days as a total beginner that has ALL to gain by total honesty over here.. I DESPISE FLUFF in my case, because I MIGHT wish to gobble it up to my own detriment of WANTED to be a certain way yet lacking the ability to hear myself as I genuinely sound !


It appears for now.. Falsetto will be kept in back pocket for awhile,  and work will be spent on stronger range and projection, as well as confidence to enable me to open up and get out've "constricted" voice...as well as balancing recording volumes,

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Paula has given a 2 page very objective critique on a song that my friend submitted about a few weeks ago..  It was sent by PM...... and my friend was very impressed!
I would bet she could offer you the same kind of feedback.  :D